Elders of the Universe vs Your Team

Originally posted by demigawd
It was in that scan Long Pig posted. As for whether or not Runner was trying...it's a race, right? He's obsessed with winning, right? I'd say he was trying. Does it mean that Mik could win a rematch? I doubt it, BUT it proves that they are at least peers. No way Runner speedblitzes him, Flash, Surfer and Sentry, then prevents HoM from ending them all, then prevents Lacuna, Doctor or Dr. Strange from freezing time. that's a VAST overestimation of Runner's abilities. And all it takes it one of those actions happening for the whole fight to shift to my favor.

Why whould runner have to try look at these scans runner is not even trying

and he didn't have the gem

😄

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Runner is WAY faster than light, short or long distance. He would own Flash, in a race, or a fight. He runs way faster than Surfer flies on his board, and has reflexes that are second to none.

Runner isn't waaaaay faster than Flash. Their feats are comparable, and there's really no solid evidence to show that Runner is faster than Flash. I personally believe that Runner is faster than Flash, but not by much. Not enough to enable Runner to take action before Flash thinks.

Look at it this way: There's one object, flying towards a destination at 500 mph from 20 miles away. There's another object, plodding along at 5MPH from one foot away. The second object will get there first. Even if we were to assume that Runner is 500 mph compared to Flash's 5 mph (not that case), Flash is right next to HoM. I can guarantee you...he or Mikkari will intercept Runner.

Meanwhile, my other blitzers will actually run and take the time gem from the very weak Gardener before he thinks. With that, combined with the other time manipulating parties and HoM, the fight is effectively over.

Runner never knew how to use the gem. His speed was unchanged. Flash has gone so fast that he beat instant transmission - he went backwards in time. Runner hasn't done anything like that. Runner will not speedblitz Flash before he thinks.

Originally posted by demigawd
Runner isn't waaaaay faster than Flash. Their feats are comparable, and there's really no solid evidence to show that Runner is faster than Flash. I personally believe that Runner is faster than Flash, but not by much. Not enough to enable Runner to take action before Flash thinks.

Look at it this way: There's one object, flying towards a destination at 500 mph from 20 miles away. There's another object, plodding along at 5MPH from one foot away. The second object will get there first. Even if we were to assume that Runner is 500 mph compared to Flash's 5 mph (not that case), Flash is right next to HoM. I can guarantee you...he or Mikkari will intercept Runner.

Meanwhile, my other blitzers will actually run and take the time gem from the very weak Gardener before he thinks. With that, combined with the other time manipulating parties and HoM, the fight is effectively over.

He bends space/time

Even without the gem he runs faster than mak

Originally posted by kgkg
peers? runner knows no one is as fast as him i whould really like to know the issue.

Why whould runner have to try look at these scans runner is not even trying

and he didn't have the gem

😄

It's purely speculative to suggest that Runner wasn't trying when he lost to Mikkari. The Runner said nothing to that effect.

Originally posted by kgkg
Maybe the fact that Runner can be at anyplace in no time.

He bends space/time

Even without the gem he runs faster than mak

Flash can be at any place in less than no time. That's what beating Instant Transmission is about...he actually GAINS time the farther he goes...time goes backwards for him. they're comparable IMO. And certainly close enough that Runner won't speedblitz both Flash AND Mikkari.

He can bend space and time to make normally long distances turn into very very short distances, i.e a mile can be molded into a milimeter.

The race against mikkari looked as though Runner wasn't being serious or trying, mikkari suprised him at the very end of the race.

So it's doubtful mik is faster.

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Originally posted by demigawd
Flash can be at any place in less than no time. That's what beating Instant Transmission is about...he actually GAINS time the farther he goes...time goes backwards for him. they're comparable IMO. And certainly close enough that Runner won't speedblitz both Flash AND Mikkari.

Runner is not limited

Runner will beat flash with space gem

Ok let's play you game they see runner.

Runner k.o’s both with one hit

Originally posted by long pig
He can bend space and time to make normally long distances turn into very very short distances, i.e a mile can be molded into a milimeter.

The race against mikkari looked as though Runner wasn't being serious or trying, mikkari suprised him at the very end of the race.

So it's doubtful mik is faster.

If that's how Runner's power works, then he's not as fast as the Flash. Flash uses speed force to arrive before he left. He was able to beat "instant transmission", essentially arriving in the past.

So Flash runs at, say, Gardener when the fight starts, actually arrives in front of Gardener BEFORE the fight starts, and when the fight starts, the time gem is safely in Thanos possession. Runner is now screwed like last time, since Thanos' durability is too high for Runner to take him out before Thanos activates the gem. Bye bye Runner. By then everybody else is active, and with no other speedster, the Elders can't get to HoM in time to stop instant destruction.

Originally posted by kgkg
Flash goes back in time if he travels faster than light? no

Runner is not limited

Runner will beat flash with space gem

Ok let's play you game they see runner.

Runner k.o’s both with one hit

Flash DOES go back in time at his max. Speedforce grants that ability.

Originally posted by demigawd
If that's how Runner's power works, then he's not as fast as the Flash. Flash uses speed force to arrive before he left. He was able to beat "instant transmission", essentially arriving in the past.

So Flash runs at, say, Gardener when the fight starts, actually arrives in front of Gardener BEFORE the fight starts, and when the fight starts, the time gem is safely in Thanos possession. Runner is now screwed like last time, since Thanos' durability is too high for Runner to take him out before Thanos activates the gem. Bye bye Runner. By then everybody else is active, and with no other speedster, the Elders can't get to HoM in time to stop instant destruction.

Flash DOES go back in time at his max. Speedforce grants that ability.

Runner is much stronger than you silly speederters even if they manage to see him , they will get K.O like SS

If Runner's powers work by compressing time and space then he's not beyond time travel. He cuts the time it takes to do something by a WHOLE lot, but it stills takes time. If lightyears become feet, then it still takes the time to travel those feet. For Flash, lightyears are lightyears, but the time it takes goes backwards via speedforce. So it may take Runner 2 seconds to travel 10 lightyears, which is a lot faster than light, but it takes Flash -5 minutes to travel that same distance.

I don't mind Runner knocking Mikahari out eventually. Mikahari is just there to occupy Runner while Flash gets the time gem to Thanos. Then Thanos takes out Runner. I stacked my deck high with space/time manipulators and speedsters specifically to deal with any cheese speedblitz tricks Runner can pull. Runner isn't going to stop everybody from freezing time before they think the command. He stops one person, someone else does it. Checkmate.

how would runner do against kingdom come flash then?

Don't know KC Flash. I don't think Flash could beat Runner in a fight, but fighting Runner isn't his job. His job is to get the time gem away from Gardener and in the hands of Thanos. Mikkari's job is to run interference on Runner to buy the .1 second necessary for the rest of my team's thought processes to complete and allow them to take action.

The difference is, Flash needs time and space to enter the Speed Force, he can't go into it at 200mph, he has to at least go beyond light. Runner can go from a standstill to 100+ lightspeed. so in essence, he is faster.

Originally posted by supremthor
how would runner do against kingdom come flash then?

He would beat him badly. Runner controls the very fabric of space. Speed means nothing to him.

Originally posted by demigawd
If Runner's powers work by compressing time and space then he's not beyond time travel. He cuts the time it takes to do something by a WHOLE lot, but it stills takes time. If lightyears become feet, then it still takes the time to travel those feet. For Flash, lightyears are lightyears, but the time it takes goes backwards via speedforce. So it may take Runner 2 seconds to travel 10 lightyears, which is a lot faster than light, but it takes Flash -5 minutes to travel that same distance.

I don't mind Runner knocking Mikahari out eventually. Mikahari is just there to occupy Runner while Flash gets the time gem to Thanos. Then Thanos takes out Runner. I stacked my deck high with space/time manipulators and speedsters specifically to deal with any cheese speedblitz tricks Runner can pull. Runner isn't going to stop everybody from freezing time before they think the command. He stops one person, someone else does it. Checkmate.

Runner doesn't have to manipulate space to move FTL. It's simply one of his options. He's definitely faster than Flash.

Flash's time travel is not accurate enough to allow him to timetravel at pinpoint. Him timetraveling and reappearing in front of someone is highly unlikely.

if he's ultimately running backwards in time, getting a running start isn't going to penalize him any.

Runner can move from one point in space to another in 0 time, flat. Flash isn't even faster than the Silver Surfer, and he needs a considerable length of time to accelerate. He isn't going at lightspeed straight off of the blocks.

Originally posted by demigawd
if he's ultimately running backwards in time, getting a running start isn't going to penalize him any.

If his timetraveling ability were that accurate, which it isn't. How would he timetravel without attaining lightspeed first?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He would beat him badly. Runner controls the very fabric of space. Speed means nothing to him.

Runner doesn't have to manipulate space to move FTL. It's simply one of his options. He's definitely faster than Flash.

Flash's time travel is not accurate enough to allow him to timetravel at pinpoint. Him timetraveling and reappearing in front of someone is highly unlikely.

Untrue...he can't pintpoint a when, but he can pinpoint a where. The when doesn't matter, as long as it's before the fight starts, and before Runner does any major damage.