Elders of the Universe vs Your Team

Originally posted by demigawd
Then we're starting from diverent assumptions. I don't believe he can intercept and knock out all four of my speed blitzers before they reach the Time Gem. You do. If we start from your assumption, then the exercise is futile. There are no sub-Thanos people who Runner wouldn't be able to put down before they can react. If Runner can speedblitz the speedblitzers, then there's no point in doing this - nobody can react before the fight is over. And no three skyfathers can beat the combined Elders.

And they also have the time gem, which can stop time

I think all Elders have around the same degree of invulnerability, so Jugs really ain't hurting nobody.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Combined, the Elders are a beast. That's basically the whole idea of this thread. It would take power on par with Galactus to put them all down.

But that's cheesy. "Runner speedblitzes all the characters under skyfather level. Ego kills the rest". I will never, ever, ever believe that Runner can take out four of the fastest characters in comic books simultaneously before any of them reach one of the other Elders. Mikkari beat Runner! In a race! Even if he'd lose a rematch, that alone should guarantee enough respect from you to throw the theory that Runner could take out ALL FOUR speedsters at the same time out the window. That's overrating at its finest, lol.

Originally posted by demigawd
But that's cheesy. "Runner speedblitzes all the characters under skyfather level. Ego kills the rest". I will never, ever, ever believe that Runner can take out four of the fastest characters in comic books simultaneously before any of them reach one of the other Elders. Mikkari beat Runner! In a race! Even if he'd lose a rematch, that alone should guarantee enough respect from you to throw the theory that Runner could take out ALL FOUR speedsters at the same time out the window. That's overrating at its finest, lol.

and you do know how strong ego is rite

Originally posted by demigawd
But that's cheesy. "Runner speedblitzes all the characters under skyfather level. Ego kills the rest". I will never, ever, ever believe that Runner can take out four of the fastest characters in comic books simultaneously before any of them reach one of the other Elders. Mikkari beat Runner! In a race! Even if he'd lose a rematch, that alone should guarantee enough respect from you to throw the theory that Runner could take out ALL FOUR speedsters at the same time out the window. That's overrating at its finest, lol.

Yeah, but cheese is the stuff that comics are made of. Magneto + Wanda = IG = Maximum cheese.

When did Mikkari beat Runner? Did he have the Gem? Was it like the story of the Tortise and the Hare?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Yeah, but cheese is the stuff that comics are made of. Magneto + Wanda = IG = Maximum cheese.

When did Mikkari beat Runner? Did he have the Gem?

He hardly takes anyone seriously

There's no evidence to suggest that Runner was toying with Mak when he lost. Mak unlocked potential he never knew he had. Mak can certainly get to Gardener. At the same time Mak runs towards Gardener to get the time gem, Flash grabs HoM and runs far away with them so Runner can reach them. Surfer and Sentry speedblitz Collector. Thanos takes Grandmaster (I think he can do it on his own), and any two skyfathers can take Ego and the third can take the rest, with Doctor and Dr backing them up. All the Elders are now occupied. At some point, ONE of my guys will pull a trigger - one of the Doctors will freeze time, HoM will activate their reality warping, I'll take the Time Gem. ONE of those will happen. I've got too many things going on to do otherwise.

And Gladiator was owning Ego by speedblitzing him. Sentry >>> Gladiator. Sentry can take Ego on his own.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Yeah, but cheese is the stuff that comics are made of. Magneto + Wanda = IG = Maximum cheese.

When did Mikkari beat Runner? Did he have the Gem? Was it like the story of the Tortise and the Hare?

Long pig posted the scans of Mikkari winning. Didn't look like Runner wasn't taking him seriously.

Cheese factor of Runner speedblitzing my entire team before they can do anything >>>>>> cheese factor of HoM switching up reality on them.

Either way, I still don't believe Runner can stop all four speedsters AND prevent my other reality warpers/time shifters from acting. One of them will pull their trigger, and that's when we take the gems.

Originally posted by demigawd
There's no evidence to suggest that Runner was toying with Mak when he lost. Mak unlocked potential he never knew he had. Mak can certainly get to Gardener. At the same time Mak runs towards Gardener to get the time gem, Flash grabs HoM and runs far away with them so Runner can reach them. Surfer and Sentry speedblitz Collector. Thanos takes Grandmaster (I think he can do it on his own), and any two skyfathers can take Ego and the third can take the rest, with Doctor and Dr backing them up. All the Elders are now occupied. At some point, ONE of my guys will pull a trigger - one of the Doctors will freeze time, HoM will activate their reality warping, I'll take the Time Gem. ONE of those will happen. I've got too many things going on to do otherwise.

And Gladiator was owning Ego by speedblitzing him. Sentry >>> Gladiator. Sentry can take Ego on his own.

Way to be improbable. Runner controls space. Taking Magneto and SW far away means nothing. He could make Flash look like he's in slow-mo anyway.

Grandmaster will slap Thanos. He's probably the most powerful Elder.

Originally posted by demigawd
Long pig posted the scans of Mikkari winning. Didn't look like Runner wasn't taking him seriously.

Cheese factor of Runner speedblitzing my entire team before they can do anything >>>>>> cheese factor of HoM switching up reality on them.

Either way, I still don't believe Runner can stop all four speedsters AND prevent my other reality warpers/time shifters from acting. One of them will pull their trigger, and that's when we take the gems.

Speedblitzing, or reconstructing the Multiverse... Hmmm... 🙄

And Gladiator was owning Ego by speedblitzing him. Sentry >>> Gladiator. Sentry can take Ego on his own.

Ego has made force field that can contain SS, Ego took a blast from Galactus that was said to be more powerful that many stars.

Ego can easily blow the planet like nothing, and kill anyone

As for Sentry (he is not allowed if he is at G's level) but we haven't seen much so if he is around thanos he isn't doing much

You need a nice plan to win

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
[B]Way to be improbable. Runner controls space. Taking Magneto and SW far away means nothing. He could make Flash look like he's in slow-mo anyway.

That's not the point...he can't catch what he can't find. He wouldn't be able to find them in the .2 seconds it takes for them to take everybody out. He'll be too busy with Mikkari and the rest of the speedsters.

Grandmaster will slap Thanos. He's probably the most powerful Elder.

Then Sentry takes Grandmaster. Thanos takes Collector, maybe with one of the doctors.

Originally posted by kgkg
speed blitzing is one thing and winning is another.

Ego has made force field that can contain SS, Ego took a blast from Galactus that was said to be more powerful that many stars.

Ego can easily blow the planet like nothing, and kill anyone

As for Sentry (he is not allowed if he is at G's level) but we haven't seen much so if he is around thanos he isn't doing much

You need a nice plan to win

Where was his forcefield when Gladiator was killing him and Ego couldn't do a thing about it?

Sentry is more powerful than Gladiator. I wouldn't put up at G level.

The exact plan is:

Mikkari goes for Gardener's time gem
Sentry goes for Champion's power gem

Flash takes Magneto and Wanda to safety
Surfer takes Lacuna in the opposite direction to safety

Four speedsters going in different directions are going to be too much for Runner.

All this takes place in the first picosecond.

Runner will stop one, or maybe two of them. Not all four. If he stops Flash, Magneto and Wanda, then Lacuna freezes time. If he stops Lacuna, Magneto and Wanda blink everybody out of existence. If he prevents the Time Gem from being taken, the .005 seconds necessary for human thought will have passed and Lacuna freezes time. If he prevents the Power Gem from being taken, the Time Gem gets taken, etc. etc. And in any of those events, the Doctor, Dr. Strange and Odin will be activating their own respective time-stopping spells. Strange can also counteract the activation of the gems, reverting Runner to normal superspeed. Runner will NOT be able to stop all of them.

So time is going to come to a halt one way or another (or reality will come to a halt if HoM gets away). If it does, during that time, my team can remove the gems and give them to Odin. Assuming LT's ruling stands for this, Odin can split it with the other skyfathers and then easily take out all the Elders.

doc manhattan, spectre, saint of killers

jesse custer, superman, darkseid, flash, professor X, doc strange, martian manhunter, the general (shaggy man), silver surfer, mister miracle (with mother box)

SOK is out of everyone's league, even the presence.

Spectre is nearly equal to TOAA while being backed by him.

I'm telling you, beating them is impossible if they work together.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
doc manhattan, spectre, saint of killers

jesse custer, superman, darkseid, flash, professor X, doc strange, martian manhunter, the general (shaggy man), silver surfer, mister miracle (with mother box)

doc manhattan takes flash 15 secs in teh future (where supes's being killed by champion) and takes the power gem

the past: doc manhattan takes the flash with the power gem and gives it to supes who wails on champion who realizes hes not as strong anymore.
to stop gardener with the time gem from anticipating the docs move, spectre, doctor strange (who removed himself from time) and jesse custer steal teh gem
the sint of killers shoots runner (he can never miss and all shots are fatal) if runner's pact with death still holds, darkseid steals his soul w/ the omega beams. this tactic is repeated with mr.M and his boom tube and the general.

with one elder left, jesse tells him to go "F*** himself" and he does....literally.

Originally posted by kgkg
Elders of the Universe vs Your Team

Make a team that would beat Elders of the Universe (ya they have the gems)

You can choose 3 sky father level
And 10 Thanos level or below

Good luck

Phantom Stranger, Odin, Ganthet

Thanos, Gog, Highfather, Zuras(he was not a skyfather), Chronos(Eternal not Krona) , Dr Strange, Dr Fate, Morg with Waters of Life, Troyjan Emperor (he beat SS), Magus 😄

Keep the faith😄

Whirly Wins 😄

Hmm. I'll try not to be too redundant.
Big 3:Godlike Triathalon, Psycho 60's Doctor, The Stranger
+10: Cloak, Kang, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Nova(Frankie), Silver Surfer, Magus(King of the Technarchs), Thor with strength belt and Uru Armor, Iron-Man in Spacewar Armor, Monica Rambeau (she's what, Pulsar now?)

Woo Hah!
This team contains:
1 Multiple members who could survive or avoid a speedblitz from the Runner at least for a while (Cloak, Pulsar, GT, P6Dr., possably Kang and Magus)

2 Multiple Team members who can cause a supernova at the end to finish off or drive away Ego (The heralds, Magus, P6Dr.)

3 Multiple members who could neutralize the Obliterator's weaponry (SS, IM, Magus)

4 Multiple members who engage Champion long enough for Cloak to grab him (Thor, Thanos, IM, GT)

5 Multiple members who could defeat the Possessor's Runestaff/Soul Gem combo (Warlock, GT, P6d)

Whoever ends up not engaged as above fights it out with Collector, Grandmaster, Gardener, Astronomer and Trader (we've never seen the last two in action.). Note that the Stranger wasn't dedicated to any of the Elders' big guns. Marvel's mightiest mass-mind is the team saftey.

Remember that when the Elders had the Gems, they were mainly tapping them subconiously in sync with their various compulsions. They never used them to their full potential.

Odin
Zeus
Mr.Mxyzptlk

Molecule Man
Kingdom Come Flash<---Bye bye Runner.KC Flash can punch him with an IMP from about 100 dimensions knocking the hell outta him.
Gladiator
Morg
Superman
Thanos
Silver Surfer

With prep, the Elders would probably give their gems to Grandmaster... even with just the Mind and Space gem he'd lobotomize the opposing team before anything happens.

Originally posted by K Von Doom
With prep, the Elders would probably give their gems to Grandmaster... even with just the Mind and Space gem he'd lobotomize the opposing team before anything happens.