Originally posted by demigawd
Untrue...he can't pintpoint a when, but he can pinpoint a where. The when doesn't matter, as long as it's before the fight starts, and before Runner does any major damage.
He would have to timetravel during the fight, which takes time. Time that he doesn't have.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Runner can move from one point in space to another in 0 time, flat. Flash isn't even faster than the Silver Surfer, and he needs a considerable length of time to accelerate. He isn't going at lightspeed straight off of the blocks.
It's BS to assume that Runner can speedblitz and KO Surfer, Sentry, Flash and Mikkari before any of them can do anything, then turn around and prevent the Doctor, Strange, and Lacuna from activating their powers, then turn around and prevent HoM from activating theirs. Runner just isn't that good.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
So, Flash transports himself to the Neolithic era. How will that help him in any way?He would have to timetravel during the fight, which takes time. Time that he doesn't have.
He has unlimited time - he's traveling through it. He can't pinpoint the exact second, but he knows how to get to the Gardener and take his space gem in no time.
If this fight happens BEFORE Thanosquest, the Elders can be defeated. Runner and Champion only used the gems subconsciously, the Gardener only used it to freeze time, Collector had no idea, the Grandmaster will put up a fight.
If it happens AFTER Thanosquest, when everyone knows how to use the gems properly, the Elders will win. The Grandmaster will have his team prepared with Gardener instantly freezing time and the Runner going to town on their opponents. The others won't even be needed.
Originally posted by demigawd
He has unlimited time - he's traveling through it. He can't pinpoint the exact second, but he knows how to get to the Gardener and take his space gem in no time.
He isn't traveling through time until he's accelerated beyond lightspeed, which takes quite some time. Runner could beat him to the ground before he moves.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He would beat him badly. Runner controls the very fabric of space. Speed means nothing to him.Runner doesn't have to manipulate space to move FTL. It's simply one of his options. He's definitely faster than Flash.
Flash's time travel is not accurate enough to allow him to timetravel at pinpoint. Him timetraveling and reappearing in front of someone is highly unlikely.
Originally posted by supremthor
from kc" i hve overheard flash described as a man to fast to be contained by one plane of existence. Apperently entire trata of reality are open to him." this was wat norman was saying befor the flash pulled him out of the spetre relm. so i realy dont c how runner is more power ful then fc flash of faster.
Then you don't know the Runner. He's as old as the universe itself, and has been running ever since. I barely understood what you posted, but interdimensional travel really isn't all that impressive. Runner weilds the Power Primordial, a fundmental force of the universe.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He isn't traveling through time until he's accelerated beyond lightspeed, which takes quite some time. Runner could beat him to the ground before he moves.
Runner can go at any speed without time traveling
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He isn't traveling through time until he's accelerated beyond lightspeed, which takes quite some time. Runner could beat him to the ground before he moves.
I don't buy that for a second. If Runner were that much faster than the Flash, then what's the point of having a fighting debate? Runner will just speedblitz the universe. 🙄
I repeat, there isn't enough of a difference in their speed feats for me to believe that Runner will speedblitz flash before he moves. I just don't buy it. If Flash, Runner, Surfer and Sentry all speed towards Gardener, I don't believe for a second that Runner is going to take each and every one of them out before they get there. is that what you're trying to tell me?
Originally posted by demigawd
I don't buy that for a second. If Runner were that much faster than the Flash, then what's the point of having a fighting debate? Runner will just speedblitz the universe. 🙄I repeat, there isn't enough of a difference in their speed feats for me to believe that Runner will speedblitz flash before he moves. I just don't buy it. If Flash, Runner, Surfer and Sentry all speed towards Gardener, I don't believe for a second that Runner is going to take each and every one of them out before they get there. is that what you're trying to tell me?
That's precisely what I'm telling you. Runner is fast enough to run circles around the Silver Surfer in flight. Elders are almost never written showing their full power. That's a well known fact. How many comics have you actually seen Runner appear in, anyway?
Speedblitz the universe? 🤨
Originally posted by demigawd
I don't buy that for a second. If Runner were that much faster than the Flash, then what's the point of having a fighting debate? Runner will just speedblitz the universe. 🙄I repeat, there isn't enough of a difference in their speed feats for me to believe that Runner will speedblitz flash before he moves. I just don't buy it. If Flash, Runner, Surfer and Sentry all speed towards Gardener, I don't believe for a second that Runner is going to take each and every one of them out before they get there. is that what you're trying to tell me?
Ok they see him but still he will knock the specters out.
and than ego comes and vaporizes everyone including magneto
Then we're starting from diverent assumptions. I don't believe he can intercept and knock out all four of my speed blitzers before they reach the Time Gem. You do. If we start from your assumption, then the exercise is futile. There are no sub-Thanos people who Runner wouldn't be able to put down before they can react. If Runner can speedblitz the speedblitzers, then there's no point in doing this - nobody can react before the fight is over. And no three skyfathers can beat the combined Elders.