Him

Just out of curiosity, if anybody cares to elaborate why they "hate" this band so much, it would be interesting to know since I think they are one of the finest melodic rock bands of today. People are quick to label them as goth or metal but they're not straightforward anything, they have their own thing and that is why I like them.

Even so much that I can let them get away with selling their logo to Bam... eventhough I think that was the biggest mistake they've ever done careerwise.

Don't forget that they've had an enormous following in Europe since 1998/99, the kids who watch MTV and listen to them nowadays have nothing to do with what HIM are about.

i heard HIM way before Bam raped their logo.

HiM isn't great

i heard of HIM before Bam...then i found out that Ville and Bam were friends i was like wow..lol..HIM is pretty good, getting their new album soon

Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
HiM isn't great

How convincing... So, no replies, ok then.

Originally posted by Pernille
Just out of curiosity, if anybody cares to elaborate why they "hate" this band so much, it would be interesting to know since I think they are one of the finest melodic rock bands of today. People are quick to label them as goth or metal but they're not straightforward anything, they have their own thing and that is why I like them.

Even so much that I can let them get away with selling their logo to Bam... eventhough I think that was the biggest mistake they've ever done careerwise.

Don't forget that they've had an enormous following in Europe since 1998/99, the kids who watch MTV and listen to them nowadays have nothing to do with what HIM are about.

I can't let them get away with the fact that they're shit. The fact that they let a useless, MTV, fame hungry, talentless and annoying f*cking waster whore their logo for more record sales just adds to it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I can't let them get away with the fact that they're shit. The fact that they let a useless, MTV, fame hungry, talentless and annoying f*cking waster whore their logo for more record sales just adds to it.

-AC

And what if that useless, MTV, fame hungry, talentless and annoying f*cking waster whore was a very good friend of theirs, would it still not be ok?

I mean, yeah, I don't like Bam either, but that's not a reason to hate the band.

At first I didn't care much for them,but I herd a slow song they have and I realy fell in love with it (even though it was the most depressing song i've ever listened too).

Originally posted by Pernille
And what if that useless, MTV, fame hungry, talentless and annoying f*cking waster whore was a very good friend of theirs, would it still not be ok?

I mean, yeah, I don't like Bam either, but that's not a reason to hate the band.

It is, because he's a waster nobody who had nothing to do with their music and more or less stole something that they created.

They're known through him, not off their own work. The worst part is that they're cool with that.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're known through him, not off their own work. The worst part is that they're cool with that.

-AC

But of course if a band wants to have success, they're going to aim overseas. HIM are so big here that they would have eventually done it, with or without Bam.

AC is from the UK, think he knows US isn't the world.

if they'd have tried break the US on their own, i sincerly think they'd have failed... Bam margera already had fame and his own show, and so they rode his fame

Originally posted by Df02
if they'd have tried break the US on their own, i sincerly think they'd have failed...

Bam margera already had fame and his own show, and so they rode his fame

Originally posted by Pernille
I don't. And even if they had, their music is still the same. breaking the US doesn't mean it's better/worse music, they have different tastes there. Europe has longer roots in goth and melancholic type of music in general, it's not automatically going to be popular over there... half of the reviews they've got are like 4-5 star and the other half is typical American lack of understanding of the whole scene.

As much as I hate the fact that they gave Bam the heartagram, it's not fair to say they rode his fame. He helped them to get visibility, but in the end it's all about the music.

It's not all about the music if you're whoring it out to Bam's shows and Bam himself. They even gave Bam a spot on their DVD so it would sell.

They can't claim to be music fans and true musicians if they're also gonna sell themselves like a cheap hooker. They would have probably done well in the US on their own because Evanescence did and H.I.M are pretty much a male version of them (yes, they are). The fact that they didn't even bother to try just says that they were after the fame or that they couldn't be bothered.

You say they would have eventually done it with or without Bam, right? They chose Bam though didn't they? They chose to not make it big on their own, they chose to let a fat, loser idiot do it for them.

Not overlooking the fact that they're a God awful band anyway. Bands that try to look goth aren't cool, people should know that through Evanescence. The only band with a sort of "goth" image I guess, would be Lacuna Coil or if you wanna be technical, Nightwish. Both of which are very good bands.

-AC

It's not all about the music if you're whoring it out to Bam's shows and Bam himself.

They even gave Bam a spot on their DVD so it would sell.

You say they would have eventually done it with or without Bam, right? They chose Bam though didn't they? They chose to not make it big on their own, they chose to let a fat, loser idiot do it for them.

Not overlooking the fact that they're a God awful band anyway.

Bands that try to look goth aren't cool, people should know that through Evanescence.

Originally posted by Pernille
I would've liked to see them try it on their "own" too (but I DON'T give credit to Bam because he has nothing to do with their music, you don't get a 5 star review by some jackass dude liking you) but I guess that if you're in that kind of position where you're already big in Europe, wouldn't mind having an audience overseas and your friend is there wanting to help you, it'd feel stupid to say no. At the end of the day, don't all bands want to be succesful?

Hahahahaha, what naive crap. You're making excuses for them. What do you think they effects are of Bam pimping their music? Girly girls who love him (for some reason) automatically become H.I.M fans. They didn't get a little help from a friend, they let him steal their stuff and push their music out there like some idiots. Directing their videos, guesting on their DVD. As for success, no. If you're playing music to be famous, you should f*ck off and do the world a favour. H.I.M are that example.

Originally posted by Pernille
I'm not sure what you mean by "spot" but he's directed a string of their music videos, so I don't find it weird at all if he's mentioned/featured in their DVD.

Why though? Why is he? Coz they owe him for their career and he's like a dirty, stinking groupie that won't go away. Any self respecting artist wouldn't let their art get pimped by some fat nobody. They do, coz they just wanna make cash.

Originally posted by Pernille
That's what I said, but if a band has done that stuff for ten years and you have the opportunity, I don't know how many people would've really turned that chance down. It's easy to understand if a band is new, but HIM is old school in Europe.

H.I.M aren't old school here, they're just older than in the USA. H.I.M aren't veterans, lets get this correct. H.I.M got tired of playing music to a dedicated fan base so they sold their butts out to Bam Margera for the sake of gaining loads more fans. You cannot justify it. They're about the fame, not the music.

Originally posted by Pernille
You're prolly hating them because of those aforementioned reasons, but have you actually even listened to their music? I doubt.

I first heard of them way before they even released anything majorly. I still thought they were shit. Don't assume.

Originally posted by Pernille
So, being or looking "cool" is your definition of good music? ok...

You got this from where? Because all I said was what's not cool. What's not good. I never said looking good means good music.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not all about the music if you're whoring it out to Bam's shows and Bam himself. They even gave Bam a spot on their DVD so it would sell.

They can't claim to be music fans and true musicians if they're also gonna sell themselves like a cheap hooker. They would have probably done well in the US on their own because Evanescence did and H.I.M are pretty much a male version of them (yes, they are). The fact that they didn't even bother to try just says that they were after the fame or that they couldn't be bothered.

You say they would have eventually done it with or without Bam, right? They chose Bam though didn't they? They chose to not make it big on their own, they chose to let a fat, loser idiot do it for them.

Not overlooking the fact that they're a God awful band anyway. Bands that try to look goth aren't cool, people should know that through Evanescence. The only band with a sort of "goth" image I guess, would be Lacuna Coil or if you wanna be technical, Nightwish. Both of which are very good bands.

-AC

Your dissing Him,yet praising Nightwish? 🤪

Yeah, have you got some kind of point you're trying to make?

Because I can sit here and show you why Nightwish are much more talented than H.I.M can dream of being. Technically. Musically also if you've got a couple of working brain cells.

-AC

At best,Nightwish is a novelty leftover from cheese metal.Playing technically good means nothing when it's so crappy.

Part of it is to be theatrical, to be operatic. You're obviously missing the point.

All of them are better at what they do than anyone in H.I.M.

-AC

What do you think they effects are of Bam pimping their music? Girly girls who love him (for some reason) automatically become H.I.M fans. They didn't get a little help from a friend, they let him steal their stuff and push their music out there like some idiots. Directing their videos, guesting on their DVD.

Why though? Why is he? Coz they owe him for their career and he's like a dirty, stinking groupie that won't go away. Any self respecting artist wouldn't let their art get pimped by some fat nobody. They do, coz they just wanna make cash.

H.I.M aren't old school here, they're just older than in the USA. H.I.M aren't veterans, lets get this correct. H.I.M got tired of playing music to a dedicated fan base so they sold their butts out to Bam Margera for the sake of gaining loads more fans. You cannot justify it. They're about the fame, not the music.

I first heard of them way before they even released anything majorly. I still thought they were shit. Don't assume.

The only band with a sort of "goth" image I guess, would be Lacuna Coil or if you wanna be technical, Nightwish. Both of which are very good bands.