i played kotor the first time and got up 2 the first planet i chose nar shadarr i was using a game guide the offical 1 and got bored and went to play another game anyway later that year i played it with out the guide from scratch and finished it in two days from then on i will never use a game guide
Originally posted by Fishy
Just asnwer me one question.Kreia is almost as powerful as the Exile if not more powerful. She was defeated in half a second without Nihilus trying. The Exile was not more powerful then Kreia was when he faced Nihilus so why could he kill him when Kreia could not? Why didn't Revan kill him? Why didn't Sion ever try?
If you can find a logical answer to all those questions I will give your theory a chance... But right now? I don't think its true.
First, we don't know how powerful Kreia is in her first reign compared to her second. Revan by the end of KOTOR is more powerful than during his first reign so it's highly possible the same is true with Kreia. Now, the Exile was at the very least, close to Nihilus' power. Now as I have stated, the reason that Nihilus lost is because his own eating power was weakening him and killing him slowly. That is exactly what Kreia and the Exile say. By this time Nihilus could still use his power, (start of my theory) but either he was too weak to 'eat' the Exile, the Exile had become too powerful, or both is my theory.
Now why didn't Revan kill him? Extremely simple, he was off in the unknown regions fighting the ancient sith who he considered to be a much greater threat. (If Revan wanted Nihilus dead he would either blow his ship up with his infinite fleet, land and plant mines like the Exile did without facing him, or he would probably find some way of beating him.) Why didn't Sion try to kill him? Again, this is very simple, the two had joined forces. There's no point in Sion killing his partner.
During all of Kotor 2 we never see Kreia her real power unless she is alone. She did not become more powerful she did not learn anything new, she just limited herself during Kotor 2 while near the Exile to make sure he still had to things and it wasn't easy. Look at her I mean when you arrive on Dantooine for the last time she is still weak and then suddenly she destroys 3 masters. A few days later without any extra fighting she is suddenly Sion his master and the most powerful person in the game? Bullshit she never used her power.
Now if Revan could have killed him so easily then why did he let others do it. Afterall Kreia got the Ebon Hawk T3-M4 and all that crap for a reason and you are not going to convince me Revan just left them all behind and Kreia just happened to find them. Thats absolute crap. Revan wanted Nihilus dead, and you can not consider an army a greater threat then a single person that can and will destroy everything if you let him live. It would have been Revan's highest priority.
Kreia says she was stripped of her power so I don't think she was totally limiting herself but pretty soon she would've.
Kreia says he left the Ebon Hawk behind because he knew he would not need them. Kreia had 4 years to somehow stumble upon the Ebon Hawk and I don't much care how she did it. Revan did NOT want Nihilus dead, he probably didn't even know he existed. According to Bastila's holocron (Bastila would know I think) she says that when he recovered his full memories he remembered some technique or something that the ancient Sith had been using to coerce the Mandalorians into fighting in the first place. Now if that's not convincing enough to you, talk to Canderous in the first game saying the right things and in one of his first talks he will say that the Sith came to us with an offer. Fight in a war that would be legendary or something like that.
Bastila says Revan left the unknown Regions to look for this. Now, if Revan wanted Nihilus dead, why did he abandon the Star Forge and Bastila? Why did he leave the known regions? That does NOT sound like Revan's style at all. He wouldn't simply abandon everything to go hide in a corner. Even if he did go to Kreia, she probably would've mentioned something to the Exile.
Now, like I said, Revan probably didn't even know Nihilus existed. After all, even 3 years after the end of the Mandalorian wars, Nihilus hadn't done anything. Even 5 years after the war when Revan left known space, Nihilus hadn't done anything. It was only AFTER Revan left that Kreia tracked his last presence to Malachor V, where she began to teach Nihilus and Sion.
Your speculation is okay, but it's going right up against facts from the game.
First of all, Kreia was stripped of her power long ago. Listen to it again.
What Bastila says is true, you are right about that but why would Revan not know of Nihilus in someway? T3 obviously still listens to Revan, so there has to be a reason for T3 to be there.
Canderous was talking about the war with Exar Kun, not about the Mandelorian wars.
Kreia would not have mentioned Revan to the Exile because she did not know where he was exactly, Kreia said Revan visited her again and then he left to the unknown regions she does not know where. I am not saying Revan is hiding, I am just saying that he does what he has to do because he can't do the other thing, kill Nihilus.
It does not go against the facts in game because the game does not give facts about anything like that.
Originally posted by Fishy
First of all, Kreia was stripped of her power long ago. Listen to it again.What Bastila says is true, you are right about that but why would Revan not know of Nihilus in someway? T3 obviously still listens to Revan, so there has to be a reason for T3 to be there.
Canderous was talking about the war with Exar Kun, not about the Mandelorian wars.
Kreia would not have mentioned Revan to the Exile because she did not know where he was exactly, Kreia said Revan visited her again and then he left to the unknown regions she does not know where. I am not saying Revan is hiding, I am just saying that he does what he has to do because he can't do the other thing, kill Nihilus.
It does not go against the facts in game because the game does not give facts about anything like that.
Kreia was stripped of her power from Nihilus and Sion
I already told you why Revan wouldn't know of Nihilus and it's proven from the game and chronicles.
Possibly but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the Mandalorian war.
Kreia DID NOT say Revan visited her again, she clearly says that if Revan had asked she might've gone too. Next, Revan was already gone by the time she went to Malachor V to try and find him. Chronicles say so.
Revan doesn't even know Nihilus exists and he was far too busy in the unknown Regions by the time Nihilus made himself known. Like Kreia said, Revan knew the true war was against the ancient Sith, not against the Republic.
There are facts to disprove many of your theories but you still continue to think Revan feared Nihilus and went to Kreia for help. There is NOTHING in the game or chronicles to even hint at that. Second, the game has many more reasons stating where Revan is and why he left. You're throwing all of that out to try and make up something about Revan fearing Nihilus that has not one single bit of evidence for from the game or chronicles.
(Sorry if I'm getting a little agitated.)
EV play the game again.
Kreia says that after he learned everything he came back to learn the final lesson of how to leave the Jedi for ever.
meaning one of two things, it could have been during the Mandelorian wars when he went DS but I doubt that. Or it could have been after he had regained his power. Kreia gives no definite time on this and its just speculation on either side.
She also says, I was stripped of my power long ago, and I know how it is to walk around without power.
Sion realises that she respects the Exile because he too knows how it is, but explain this to me. If Kreia is without her power how come she can do amazing things and learn them in just seconds and then forget them again. Throughout the game she is not as powerful as she is in the movies when she wants to use her power.
Instantly killing 3 Jedi Masters? She would never be able to do that if she had the power she had in the game at that time. She limited herself.
Originally posted by Fishy
EV play the game again.Kreia says that after he learned everything he came back to learn the final lesson of how to leave the Jedi for ever.
meaning one of two things, it could have been during the Mandelorian wars when he went DS but I doubt that. Or it could have been after he had regained his power. Kreia gives no definite time on this and its just speculation on either side.
She also says, I was stripped of my power long ago, and I know how it is to walk around without power.
Sion realises that she respects the Exile because he too knows how it is, but explain this to me. If Kreia is without her power how come she can do amazing things and learn them in just seconds and then forget them again. Throughout the game she is not as powerful as she is in the movies when she wants to use her power.
Instantly killing 3 Jedi Masters? She would never be able to do that if she had the power she had in the game at that time. She limited herself.
Revan came back to learn more from Kreia when he was still a Jedi. She says that he learned from Zhar and a couple others but even after that, he returned to learn more from me. (She is describing Revan as a padawan) so it's not speculation.
Next, Kreia says that Nihilus and Sion stripped her of her power.
She had some of her power by the start of 2 and was surely holding some power back but I don't think she was already tottally powerful by then. In either case I don't think it matters because Revan's power increased from his first reign without much knowledge and mostly just from constant combat. Kreia's power could easily have done the same thing.
Alright, this is getting ridiculous... Both of you.
Emperor, a few things:
Kreia lost her power SOMEWHERE in the timefframe between game one and game two. Chronologically, I think it's about five years. But then she says SPECIFICALLY that the Exile is regaining his/her connection to the Force via herself. So if she was stripped of power to the point of being weak, she would not have enough to reawaken the Exile to the Force. Specifically, I think Kreia researched knowledge of intense Force chains in order to rewaken the Exile, meaning she would have to have regained some if not most of her potential power back. Of course, for all we know Nihilus drained Kreia for a short time (As in, during the time it took for her apprentices to whup her ass) and no longer. After all, nihilus' ability is in draining ability, but if it is definate (assuming he doesn't kill the host) or temporary is never said. So we could speculate that her experience with being powerless was from Nihilus attacking her. After all, he did make the first move.
Now, whether Revan knew about Nihilus or not we may not know at this time. But from all the evidence I've seen, the forum boards on Obsidian bristling with speculation, and the fact that T3 is working on some sort of orders (Going so far as to voicelock the navicomputer, shock HK in attempt to keep information secret, and god knows what else), I would bet my money on the fact that he does know something regarding the issue and he wanted Kreia to check it out. And that's it for now; these phone calls at work are driving me ****ing crazy... This took an hour to type.