Phoenix vs Unicron (Full power)

Originally posted by newjak86
OK Galactic Primus and Unicron are equal in power and can do eachother's role but it isn't thier nature. Unicron wishes to destroy instead of create. How do you know phoenix can not die only because it is creation and therefore can't die. Listen Unicron has destroyed all of creation before.

Because its common knowledge that phoenix cannot die. You dont read a lot of Marvel do you? lol. Her name kinda hints at it as well dont you think lol. Im going to look up unicron for myself because you're changing your information because youre a fan of unicron obviously. Either way it doesnt matter phoenix is surpassed by no force but TOAA(God). Destroying creation as his top feat doesnt place him above a force that makes all of creation and is one with it. Phoenix has telekinetic godhood which is the ultimate power. Control of all that is, all reality, time, space, matter and energy down to a molecular level. Thats why its pointless putting phoenix against things cos its ridiculous.

Yes he missed a few molucules which became the next creation. This creation summoned all of it's power to create Primus so it could fight back meaning that Primus equals creation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because its common knowledge that phoenix cannot die. You dont read a lot of Marvel do you? lol. Her name kinda hints at it as well dont you think lol. Im going to look up unicron for myself because you're changing your information because youre a fan of unicron obviously. Either way it doesnt matter phoenix is surpassed by no force but TOAA(God). Destroying creation as his top feat doesnt place him above a force that makes all of creation and is one with it. Phoenix has telekinetic godhood which is the ultimate power. Control of all that is, all reality, time, space, matter and energy down to a molecular level. Thats why its pointless putting phoenix against things cos its ridiculous.

Originally posted by newjak86
No it's only pointless because you like phoenix and you think Phoenix has no equal that only TOAA is above it so it can not be defeated. I'm not gonna insult you because you know what your talking about. But I don't like Unicron I hate the idea behind him but that doesn't change his power in fact I was doing some research and Primus was weaker than Unicron.
Edit: and I know perfectly fine what Phoenix is and that it can arise from the ashes. You have done a masterful job of highlighting what it can do and i command you on it.
Also how does not destroying creation stack up with creating it and being one with it. In fact being able to exist without creation is a big feat as well.

Any superhuman can destroy with their powers but its only the more powerful ones that can create with them. Creshock has already tried to show you an example of this. When he said to you any man can kill dozens upon dozens of men but no man can create another man under his own power. The power to create as is common knowledge is greater than the power to destroy. Unicron destroying everything is impressive but not as impressive as creating all reality, time/space all life etc. Not only that but sustaining all life as well with your power. You used yourself that Unicron is weak against power connected with creation. Phoenix being the primal force of creation has that in abundance.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Any superhuman can destroy with their powers but its only the more powerful ones that can create with them. Creshock has already tried to show you an example of this. When he said to you any man can kill dozens upon dozens of men but no man can create another man under his own power. The power to create as is common knowledge is greater than the power to destroy. Unicron destroying everything is impressive but not as impressive as creating all reality, time/space all life etc. Not only that but sustaining all life as well with your power. You used yourself that Unicron is weak against power connected with creation. Phoenix being the primal force of creation has that in abundance.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but in his fight with Primus he was winning which shows he is more than capable overpowering creation itself meaning that his powers must be on par with it.

Primus had powers of creation. He wasnt on phoenixes level. He was not the god assigned primal force of creation which is second to none but him. Thats the difference. That should say it all to you. But basically if we went by feats, phoenixes outclass unicrons.

This why I hate to these high cosmic battles. Unicron comes from a different comic book so you can't just say that because she is second in her comic universe thats all that matters. Because if you go by that logic than I can place her in Unicron's world in she would be nothing more than creation so Unicron would smoke her. Now you place this outside of their universes then you take their biggest feats. Unicron destroys creation and survives outside of it then faces Creation incarnate and starts to overpower it. Phoenix makes creation and is one with it. So by these feats all I can say is that Unicron is at least on par with phoenix if not stronger.

Originally posted by newjak86
This why I hate to these high cosmic battles. Unicron comes from a different comic book so you can't just say that because she is second in her comic universe thats all that matters. Because if you go by that logic than I can place her in Unicron's world in she would be nothing more than creation so Unicron would smoke her. Now you place this outside of their universes then you take their biggest feats. Unicron destroys creation and survives outside of it then faces Creation incarnate and starts to overpower it. Phoenix makes creation and is one with it. So by these feats all I can say is that Unicron is at least on par with phoenix if not stronger.

Phoenix always destroys creation. Its what she does. She makes it, maintains it and eventually destroys it. Her feats are way beyond Unicrons. She isnt just creation, creation is a just part of her. Phoenix is a higher being that exists outside of creation. Unicron being a part of a reality even shows you that phoenix is beyond him. Phoenix could just wipe him out of existent. She surveys all future and realities. They are a part of her. She could just stop his creation.

Unicron has destroyed creation once?
Phoenix has destroyed creation. . . countless times?

Unicron had trouble destroying creation?
Phoenix does it with a thought?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix always destroys creation. Its what she does. She makes it, maintains it and eventually destroys it. Her feats are way beyond Unicrons. She isnt just creation, creation is a just part of her. Phoenix is a higher being that exists outside of creation. Unicron being a part of a reality even shows you that phoenix is beyond him. Phoenix could just wipe him out of existent. She surveys all future and realities. They are a part of her. She could just stop his creation.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Unicron has destroyed creation once?
Phoenix has destroyed creation. . . countless times?

Unicron had trouble destroying creation?
Phoenix does it with a thought?

Has Phoenix actually destroyed creation before?
Sorry, been a while since i read comics.

Originally posted by Katt
Has Phoenix actually destroyed creation before?
Sorry, been a while since i read comics.

So she creates and destroys creation.
While Unicron only destroys it. I mean you say he CAN create to. But i mean he was create for purpose of destroying only?

Cause if so i'd say Phoenix would take this fight. Or i could aslo see it as a stalemate. Just a thought.

Originally posted by Katt
Has Phoenix actually destroyed creation before?
Sorry, been a while since i read comics.

Yes. Phoenix is the force that helped Galen survive the destruction of creation last time around. She helped him bon with Eternity to become galactus.

Originally posted by Katt
So she creates and destroys creation.
While Unicron only destroys it. I mean you say he CAN create to. But i mean he was create for purpose of destroying only?

Cause if so i'd say Phoenix would take this fight. Or i could aslo see it as a stalemate. Just a thought.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thats just it he wasn't created to destroy it he chose to do so because it was within his power. He exists outside of creation and it is it's own thing. With Phoenix since she creates it it is more easy for her to destroy it since she is the ultimate power with. Think of it this was Phoenix creates something then something besides her decides to destroy it and does. This means that it is either stronger equal or a little less powerful but still comparable.

Well.. Guess it could go either way then.

Thats what I have been trying to say. I never said that Unicron could outright beat Phoenix but that their powers were comparable enough to make this fight where either one could be beaten.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thats just it he wasn't created to destroy it he chose to do so because it was within his power. He exists outside of creation and it is it's own thing. With Phoenix since she creates it it is more easy for her to destroy it since she is the ultimate power with. Think of it this was Phoenix creates something then something besides her decides to destroy it and does. This means that it is either stronger equal or a little less powerful but still comparable.

Thats silly logic. Thats like saying that because i kick over and shatter one of icemans slides that im of comaparable power to him. Or that iceman could more easily shatter one of his ice slides that juggernaut could just because he created it. Youre really stretching here because youre a Unicron fan lol. Try and be objective and accepting of others points.

At the end of the day we can only go by feats since theyre from different comic universes. Phoenix has better feats. So from what we can judge phoenix wins.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats silly logic. Thats like saying that because i kick over and shatter one of icemans slides that im of comaparable power to him. Or that iceman could more easily shatter one of his ice slides that juggernaut could just because he created it. Youre really stretching here because youre a Unicron fan lol. Try and be objective and accepting of others points.

At the end of the day we can only go by feats since theyre from different comic universes. Phoenix has better feats. So from what we can judge phoenix wins.