Yes, its not the same as time manipulation.
Answer this: If you clone someone, will the clone have the memories, emotions and backstory the same as the original?
Theres a story that ilustrates the time manipulation thing. A story of Green Arrow before getting recruited by Batman in Zero Hour.
You see Green Arrow beating a thug that tried to raped/beating a woman while her kid was there. Green Arrow gets there and beats him. You see the panels until Arrow is about to deliver the thug to the police. In that moment two different timelines show up. The one where we wer seeing the action, the "real" universe and the new one. The persons are the same, the mindstate is the same, and what was happening is the same too.
Except it goes two different ways from -one- point. In one Arrow lives in the other he dies.
The Comic ends with Arrow looking to itself death. Its not a clone. Its himself lying dead there. From another moment in time he died.
In traditional cloning no memories for higher organisms, but a genetically identical time displaced duplicate would. Interestingly the time trapper gave him his back story as well that was all fabrication also.
A clone is a genetically identical duplicate, anyway you cut it Superboy Precrisis is that.
It can't be him lying there as he never died, its a cutting like a cutting from a plant (get your head round the concept). Therefore its a clone. A genetically identical duplicate. Its not Superman though😄
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Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual).
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Understand higher concepts like time paradox, displacement, duplication, any Star Trek episode with a transporter malfunction 😉 should help!!!!!
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"It can't be him lying there as he never died, its a cutting like a cutting from a plant (get your head round the concept). Therefore its a clone. A genetically identical duplicate. Its not Superman though"
He did died, it was just from another timeline. From another moment in time he died. Simple as that. Never heard that each one of us have different destinies in time? Its like that.
About Star Trek beh im sick of it 😛
"Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual)."
I know that you know what a clone is. I just dont agree thats the aplication to Superboy.
"Genetically identical = clone (as at the point it was cut by the timetrapper it became a different individual)."
This is what i argue. He wasent a different individual, he was the same. The same Superman wich lifepath went another direction.
"No he stopped being the same person, thats obvious because supes lived and Superboy died. Same Source, Same Genetics, Similair person, ergo Clone."
Same person. that died. in another. timeline. Timelines are different and the person is the same. therefore you have different destinies - or not - .
"He was a different individual he had, had different environmental factors, therfore he was not the same"
I dont agree. He had the powers the same way. He learned them the same way. He had the same backstory. The same origin. The same growth. For all porpuses he is not a clone.
Originally posted by olympian
"Now what about all the beatings Hercs taken thats what we were discussing you minor fiddling of facts"List them. You shouldnt have problems, he has almost none as immortal Hercules.
He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a while😄
He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week.
Iron man beat him😄
In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy.
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Originally posted by olympian
"No he stopped being the same person, thats obvious because supes lived and Superboy died. Same Source, Same Genetics, Similair person, ergo Clone."Same person. that died. in another. timeline. Timelines are different and the person is the same. therefore you have different destinies - or not - .
"He was a different individual he had, had different environmental factors, therfore he was not the same"
I dont agree. He had the powers the same way. He learned them the same way. He had the same backstory. The same origin. The same growth. For all porpuses he is not a clone.
Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud if you will😄
"He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a while"
Thats....well..........one? Wheres the others you said.
"He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week"
And...
"In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy."
And who doesnt get low showings? Remember Supes getting knocked out by a has tank explosion? Or having troubles lifting a 747. And the daily Planet big globe. Such is the renowed Superman.
Going by those feats hes way less than Hercules level.
"Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud "
It was another timeline. Pocket or not it doesnt matter how big it was 😄
Originally posted by olympian
"He lsot all the time in avengers his biggest beating was after they drugged him, but he did become a coward for a while"Thats....well..........one? Wheres the others you said.
"He also in issues and in the avengers continuity was out for a while even with his renowned Olympian Physiology. The Coma lasted a week"
And...
"In Chapions he got kickings all the time, remember the Griffen or the Bee guy."
And who doesnt get low showings? Remember Supes getting knocked out by a has tank explosion? Or having troubles lifting a 747. And the daily Planet big globe. Such is the renowed Superman.
Going by those feats hes way less than Hercules level.
"Wasn't a different timeline it was a bubble universe, it really had very little in it, it was a bud "
It was another timeline. Pocket or not it doesnt matter how big it was 😄
No as a bud within our univese it was part of our universes space time, a bud from it, like a room. Another timeline demands more than this😄
Know your Physics😄
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"No as a bud within our univese it was part of our universes space time, a bud from it, like a room. Another timeline demands more than this"
Making stuff up now? I guess you cant keep with the debate. I give you the kudos you lasted more than Though Guy.
Go to the page where its the story of TT and there it says he crated another timeline.
Read
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Heres what he did
So in order to keep things as they were, the Time Trapper reached one million years into the past and removed a moment of time, a moment too small to be measured, yet it contained an entire universe. This "pocket"-universe was then shaped to his own needs, removing all the characteristics he didn´t need. He then set in motion the events that led to Kal-El crash-landing on Earth to be found by the Kents. Superboy´s life then proceeded almost exactly like that of the original Superboy.
The Time Trapper next made sure that whenever the Legion travelled back in time they would end up in his pocket universe and not their actual past.
Not a timeline a "pocket Universe" an instant 😄
When Superboy travelled forward he entered our timeline.
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I knew it was a pocket universe because unlike you I read the story😄
"He travelled from this pocket into our timeline in the 30th century which was part of the normal spce time, his pocket universe was a pocket within our timeline.
Sorry thats how it worked
Do you understand it"
Then what you said before of him being restricted to his timeline isent true now?
Your falling apart or what.
The fact hes able to do that shows theyr the same person set on different points in time.
"So in order to keep things as they were, the Time Trapper reached one million years into the past and removed a moment of time"
A moment in time. It was what i said bub.
"I knew it was a pocket universe because unlike you I read the story"
Where did i said it wasent pocket or giant? It doesnt matter. Two times want different ways from the point where TT stopped and did his gig.
He was part of our timeline in the 30th century the pocket was merely a place he was kept with in "Spacetime".
A good explanation of budding universe in real Science here😄
http://www.parcellular.fsnet.co.uk/parc.mech.22.htm.htm
Its not a different timeline😄 because he only travelled from it to the 30th century which was in normal continuity without travelling through dimensions. The bud could come away totally and become a distinct timeline but it was achored in a loop to continuity 30 century so this never happened😄
Although budding can become different timelines
Keep the faith😄
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