Nai Fohl proudly presents...

Anakin's entire body is of midi-clorians and at full potential he would excell way above what Yoda, Luke, Revan, Exar, and Marka Ragnos could imagine, so Revan and Exar can't even a hold a candle to Anakin at full potential, so just adding all those other guys...Revan's dead...Exar's dead...and Marka Ragnos is dead with ease.

Everyone else can just enjoy the nice show Anakin's going to put on when he beat all those guys to death. Pop-corn and soda thats the only weapon they would need.

How do you know? How can you possibly know that Anakin even at full potential is more powerful then any of those guys? There is no real evidence for it.

Any two of those Sith could take Anakin, Plagues.

it's true think of it mathematically

Anakin at full potentail=200% sidious

Revan and exar are both much much more powerful then sidious at the minimum as powerful as NJO luke who's 160%

So even at minimum 160+160=320 which is greater then anakins 200 he might even kill one of the sith but certainly not both.

Now lets include the fact that anakins an idiot to the point where he could probably get tricked into running off a cliff by a six year old against some of the greatest minds in the galaxies history.

That was retarted frobo.

I'm tired I'm allowed to be stupid.

If Anakin were at his full potential, he would best Revan in one armed combat. I will in fact, go so far as to adopt a term frequently used by other people. Anakin would own (as in destroy) Revan in a battle of Force or lightsaber duels if he is at his full potential.

Because I thought it was made clear. Anakin at his full potential would be one of - if not THE - greatest Force user in galactic history. If, at his full potential, he would be twice as powerful as either Yoda or Sidious, I do believe he is stronger than Revan or Tulak. At least individually.

Revan may very well be more powerful than Sidious. But twice as powerful? Hardly.

Ill repeat what I said in the other thread, darth nihilus or zonama sekot could take all 4 at the same time. Frobo, math and star wars are best served seperately.

Well people...just talking about Sadow and Exar Kun:

They did what the did but they needed technology (Sadow blowing up stars, Exar destroying Ossus) to do so. Actualy that means they both can be even less powerful than Sidious talking about "force potential" - I mean just take a look at the fact tha Exar needed an Sith amulett to be able to move on Ossus without being recognized as a dark side user while Sidious did just manage to do so based on his own powers.
The other "impressive" thing Kun did (freezing the Senate) was also based on Sith magics and you had at least Vodo resisting that effect.

Now forget those actions that were based on technology or magic and just think about those people in terms of "normal" force powers and duelist skills.

@Frobo:
I love math, but I love logic even more. Now think about the following point. If Anakin is the strongest force user ever and you grant people like Kun or Revan 75 or 80 % of his power why should Exar Kun FEAR the spirit of Marka Ragnos who (at his peak in his own body) would be less powerful than Anakin (maximum equal powerful). Keep in mind that we don't know how what Lucas thinks how powerful Sidious is.

And if you read the ROTS novel, Yoda thinks the "new" Sith are more powerful than the ones the Jedi have killed during the Battle of Ruusan. "The brighter the light the darker their shadow."

During the battle of Ruusan? I wouldn't be surprised. But still we have no figure on the midiclorians of anybody but Anakin so that measns absolutely nothing. His full potential for all we know would be nothing special.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well people...just talking about Sadow and Exar Kun:

They did what the did but they needed technology (Sadow blowing up stars, Exar destroying Ossus) to do so. Actualy that means they both can be even less powerful than Sidious talking about "force potential" - I mean just take a look at the fact tha Exar needed an Sith amulett to be able to move on Ossus without being recognized as a dark side user while Sidious did just manage to do so based on his own powers.
The other "impressive" thing Kun did (freezing the Senate) was also based on Sith magics and you had at least Vodo resisting that effect.

Now forget those actions that were based on technology or magic and just think about those people in terms of "normal" force powers and duelist skills.

@Frobo:
I love math, but I love logic even more. Now think about the following point. If Anakin is the strongest force user ever and you grant people like Kun or Revan 75 or 80 % of his power why should Exar Kun FEAR the spirit of Marka Ragnos who (at his peak in his own body) would be less powerful than Anakin (maximum equal powerful). Keep in mind that we don't know how what Lucas thinks how powerful Sidious is.

And if you read the ROTS novel, Yoda thinks the "new" Sith are more powerful than the ones the Jedi have killed during the Battle of Ruusan. "The brighter the light the darker their shadow."

That's just him talking. It's his opinion. And anyways, being stronger in the force doesn't atomatically make you stronger in lightsaber dueling. So all this crap about how Anakin could kill Revan with one hand in a saber duel, is not even close to being right.

I think that GL's quote was misread. I think he meant Anakin to be 160% of Sidious, not 200%. I belive what he said was that Anakin would have been far more powerful than even Sidious, but after his fall on Mustafar, he had only half of his potential, about 80%. It makes sense, but I just want to see the quote again to make sure. If I'm right, it would clear up a lot of things, or at least simplify it. If someone knows the site, find out and copy the page onto a thread made for this purpose. Or, tell me the site and I'll check it out.

Anyone? Read the last post.

"Lucas claims that, as a masked and suited Darth Vader, Anakin has roughly 80% the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar, he would have been about twice as powerful."

That's from wikipedia. Both things are taken from an interview with Lucas but I can't remember where that was. Well Lucas at least contraticted that statement ones saying "Anakin had the potential to become 10 times as strong as Sidious".

Now for gods sake Anakin could be 200-1000 % of Sidious while NJO Luke could be 150-750 % Sidious. And basicaly that says nothing because we don't know what "powerful like Sidious" does mean compared to the ancient Sith lords.

And since I get bored pretty much here is my own suggestion:
Actualy we should make differences between 3 terms:

a) force potential
b) force powers
c) power

Force potential is the sheer amount of midichlorians that somebody has. It is very safe to assume that Anakin Skywalker exceeds everybody in that followed by Luke Skywalker, Anakin Solo, Jacen and Jaina Solo and Ben Skywalker.

Force power is another thing. You can be more powerful than somebody who has a higher potential just because of being more experienced or having learned more. This can be seen for example in duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin in ROTS. Anakin has clearly more potential than Obi-Wan but as they try to force push away eachother they are equal.

The term "power" referes to any other abilities that are important in combat. That actualy means lightsaber skill and things like Sith magic, artifacts, special lightsabers or unique force powers (Moricho) or things that can't be learned (Nihilus eating ability, Mace Shatterpoint ability).

Back to the topic:
Grant all of the NSO at least the knowledge that Sidious had (force lightning, force storms, jedi knowledge and so on).

Now Anakin Skywalker fully developed is a damn nightmare. What do you think will happen if he unleashes force lightning that is twice as powerful as that of Sidious on Ragnos. Hey...he is at least 25 % more powerful than NJO Luke. Run for your lifes.

A dark side Yoda could waste Sidious in the blink of an eye. That's what Dooku thinks about it. Just imagine Yoda being an offensive bad ass where he is pretty much defensive in the films. The dark side gave Luke enough power to overwhelm Vader. Imagine Yoda giving into his anger...Naga Sadow is toast.

Mace entered the Jedi Council being 28 years old. That is an age where people like Revan or the Exile just have become Jedi Knights. He has to be realy powerful. Now think of him having studied Sith teachings for all his life (53 years) he would clearly be more powerful than Dooku maybe as powerful as Sidious but still and still a major bad ass when it comes to lightsaber combat. He might take Revan.

And Obi-Wan ? Well...did you ever see a Sith Lord using a defensive lightsaber style ? He could probably fend people with one hand and force lightning them with the other. Still he would have a hard time against Exar but maybe win. I don't know.

I agree that Obi-Wan and Mace are the "weak links" in this fight but Yoda and Anakin would be quite amazing. So even if Revan and Exar come out of their fights alive, Yoda and Anakin will destroy them.

Again, with the Skywalkers... Why is their potential supposively unlimited? Because in the PT Lucas introduced the idea that they were spawned of the Force itself. Does he ever say that that is the only case? Never. Meaning? Any one of those ancient Sith lords could be Chosen Ones of their time frames. It is a very real possibility and has yet to be refuted by Lucas. So there goes that idea.

Second, the Sith during the Battle of Ruusan were led by Kaan, who was powerful enough to wipe out every living soul on Ruusan via the Force. I have yet to see Dooku, Maul, or Sidious attempt that one.

Have any of you ever considered the possibility that the majority of people across the world pay attention to the movies more than the Expanded Universe?

Can you imagine, being a movie-goer, and seeing Sidious wipe out an entire planet? It would be hardly believable. Yet in the EU, his Force Storms can travel across the galaxy and consume fleets and various ships.

Sidious is INCREDIBLY powerful. Amazingly so. If Anakin is TWICE that, then I assume he'd be able to take out any Jedi Master or Sith Lord.

Nai Fohl; that line is from the official quote in the interview with GL. Wikipedia took that statement from the interview. I remember reading that same thing, but not from Wikipedia. That is where I copied my quote from though, seeing as how I don't know the name of the site I originally found it in.

Have any of you ever considered the possibility that the majority of people across the world pay attention to the movies more than the Expanded Universe? (No, I never ever considered this. Ever. Honestly, it eluded me. Not sure how. But really, never guessed it. Who knew?)

Can you imagine, being a movie-goer, and seeing Sidious wipe out an entire planet? It would be hardly believable. Yet in the EU, his Force Storms can travel across the galaxy and consume fleets and various ships. (Star Wars borders on hardly believeable, even to hardcore sci-fi fans. The point is Lucas never wanted Sidious to be that ridiculously overpowered. And I doubt he wanted Anakin or Luke to be either. Have you ever considered that?)

Sidious is INCREDIBLY powerful. Amazingly so. If Anakin is TWICE that, then I assume he'd be able to take out any Jedi Master or Sith Lord. (Anakin never IS twice that, though. He's half a man, really. And if he was TWICE that, his power might be immense, but it would mean jackall unless he had the knowledge and levelheadedness to compete. Why not remake the thread Someone Who Had Anakin's Potential BUt Not His Dumbness versus etc.? I mean, I should make Revan with the powers of all the Sith lords combined versus infant Yoda. Damn.)