Originally posted by FistOfThe North
How is it possible to teach the wisest man there even was, anything?Jesus was schooling scholars as a preteen. You cannot teach a God. That's ridiculous. And arrogant.
So this thread is invalid. And ridiculous and arrogant.
And clearly anti-christian, really..
No, saying that Jesus could not learn anything is ridiculous and arrogant.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And clearly anti-christian, really..
Not even close. There are more than their share of anti-christian threads here but this isn't one of them.
The idea that Jesus may have been taught by Buddhist monks is not an invention of LB's and it raises perfectly reasonable points (as long as one accepts Jesus may have been human).
However I disagree with the premise. Travel to needed places would have been extremely difficult at the time an not something I imagine a person without great wealth being capable of. Many religions have similar teachings because many of them were founded on what are essentially humanist concepts. The best example I can think of his letting a stranger sit with you to eat, many many religions have a story, koan or fable of that exact or a very similar form. The presence of nearly identical symbols does not mean the presence of identical symbolism or of any contact between the writers.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not even close. There are more than their share of anti-christian threads here but this isn't one of them.The idea that Jesus may have been taught by Buddhist monks is not an invention of LB's and it raises perfectly reasonable points (as long as one accepts Jesus may have been human).
However I disagree with the premise. Travel to needed places would have been extremely difficult at the time an not something I imagine a person without great wealth being capable of. Many religions have similar teachings because many of them were founded on what are essentially humanist concepts. The best example I can think of his letting a stranger sit with you to eat, many many religions have a story, koan or fable of that exact or a very similar form. The presence of nearly identical symbols does not mean the presence of identical symbolism or of any contact between the writers.
I agree. Jesus didn't need to go anywhere. There was trade with the east and the Roman Empire, and with trade comes ideas.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, saying that Jesus could not learn anything is ridiculous and arrogant.
No, admitting so would be illogical.
A God is all knowing. Jesus was God on earth.
There wasn't anything he didn't know. He was the wisest man that ever lived.
His only source whom he took knowledge from was God in heaven.
For what can man teach a deity?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
No, admitting so would be illogical.A God is all knowing. Jesus was God on earth.
There wasn't anything he didn't know. He was the wisest man that ever lived.
His only source whom he took knowledge from was God in heaven.
For what can man teach a deity?
I believe that Jesus was just a human, and not a deity. Therefore, it make absolute sense to talk about were Jesus got his ideas. If your belief prevents you from talking about this topic, then I suggest you do not read anything from this thread.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I believe that Jesus was just a human, and not a deity. Therefore, it make absolute sense to talk about were Jesus got his ideas. If your belief prevents you from talking about this topic, then I suggest you do not read anything from this thread.
I could say the same thing to you. Thing is, my beliefs don't prevent me from talking about the topic otherwise i would've not have read anything in here. Or commented. So i'll continue on.
According to the Bible Jesus was a Deity. And to be a Deity means to be:
1. a god
2. a divine character that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3. the estate or rank of a god
dic.com
And a God is all knowing.
Someone whom is all knowing doesn't need anyone to teach him anything. It'd be futile wouldn't you think so. But then again you believe that Jesus was human which he was. But he was a God on earth in human flesh.
He was human in flesh but He was perfect.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I could say the same thing to you. Thing is, my beliefs don't prevent me from talking about the topic otherwise i would've not have read anything in here. Or commented. So i'll continue on.According to the Bible Jesus was a Deity. And to be a Deity means to be:
1. a god
2. a divine character that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3. the estate or rank of a goddic.com
And a God is all knowing.
Someone whom is all knowing doesn't need anyone to teach him anything. It'd be futile wouldn't you think so. But then again you believe that Jesus was human which he was. But he was a God on earth in human flesh.
He was human in flesh but He was perfect.
Suffer if you wish.
The only people, that I know, who cannot learn from another human are retarded. So, are you saying that Jesus was retarded? 😂
Now, can we get back on topic?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Suffer if you wish.The only people, that I know, who cannot learn from another human are retarded. So, are you saying that Jesus was retarded? 😂
Now, can we get back on topic?
Firstly, I'm not suffering. Just posting. Secondly a deity or in your case a demi-god, like Jesus, was all knowing. Which meant he knew it all. Which meant there was nothing he didn't know. Which meant teaching his would've been futile.
He was The Teacher whom learned all wisdom from God up above.
And thirdly we've been on topic, Einstein. How have we not been.
But fourthly, and most importantly, it's (just about) 5 p.m. And it's time to head home. Alas.
Thank you, Jesus.
💃
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Firstly, I'm not suffering. Just posting. Secondly a deity or in your case a demi-god, like Jesus, was all knowing. Which meant he knew it all. Which meant there was nothing he didn't know. Which meant teaching his would've been futile.He was The Teacher whom learned all wisdom from God up above.
And thirdly we've been on topic, Einstein. How have we not been.
But fourthly, and most importantly, it's (just about) 5 p.m. And it's time to head home. Alas.
Thank you, Jesus.
💃
🙄 Please provide proof. 😛
He didn't seek knowledge. Everyone was seeking knowledge from him.
Jesus did certain things, like read the Bible to set an example. He already knew what it said.
He was teaching doctors and other teachers at age 12. What were you doing @ 12? Probably stealing Oreos alot.
Well here's proof Jesus is God on earth and that He was indeed all knowing:
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, 1 Tim. 3:16
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in APPEARANCE AS A MAN, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phil. 2:5-8
Some more scriptures..
God can't lie. Titus 1:2
Jesus is Omniscient!
Matt. 9:4, 11:27
Luke 5:4-6
John. 2:25, 16:30, 21:17
Acts 1:24
Jesus is Omnipotent!
Matt. 28:18
Mark 1:29-34
John 10:18
Jude 24
Jesus is Omnipresent!
Matt. 18:20, 28:20
Eph. 3:17, 4:10
If Jesus was God manifest and God was all knowing, meaning there was nothing He does not know already, wouldn't you think learning something would be pointless especially for a God or demi God if He knew all there was to know about any and eveything from the past now and the future onto eternity? Think.
Jesus even knew exactly how, when, amd where He was going to die; who would betray Him.
Fisty,
Don't you find it odd that the Bible doesn't have a single account of Jesus (it's head figure) for almost 20 years of his life.
He's born, he does some prodigy-style shit as a kid, disappears for nearly 20 years and then comes back with "I am God I am the way, here, let me die for you." That doesn't strike you as being a bit strange?
WTF could God have been doing for 20 years that no one wrote about, considering he made himself standout as a child? To me, it sounds like one of those train-wreak child star stories you see on VH1.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
He didn't seek knowledge. Everyone was seeking knowledge from him.
Even the greatest teacher learns from his/her students. If Jesus did not learn for his time her on Earth, then there would be no reason for his time on Earth.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Jesus did certain things, like read the Bible to set an example. He already knew what it said.
The bible (NT) was not written when Jesus was alive. Do you mean he knew the OT? If so, I agree; He must have learned it well.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
He was teaching doctors and other teachers at age 12. What were you doing @ 12? Probably stealing Oreos alot.
There is also a story about how Jesus killed another child, and then brought him back to life. The Council of Nicaea did not include that story in the bible. By the time of the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) there were a lot of stories about the childhood of Jesus. They simply included the one you are referring to and left the other ones out. To be honest, I don’t believe ether story.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Well here's proof Jesus is God on earth and that He was indeed all knowing:[QUOTE=11201174]Originally posted by FistOfThe North
[B]And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58
So if I say I was I AM, long before Moses, then would you worship me? I didn’t think so. We have already established that Jesus knew the OT like a scholar. All that Jesus was doing was saying he was god, but that does not make him god.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, 1 Tim. 3:16
And all this person is saying is that they believed what Jesus said. That is also fine, but it too does not make Jesus god.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in APPEARANCE AS A MAN, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phil. 2:5-8
Again, this is simply expressing this person’s belief. However, just because he believes this and tells other people the reasoning behind his belief does not make his belief true; that requires proof.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Some more scriptures..God can't lie. Titus 1:2
Jesus is Omniscient!
Matt. 9:4, 11:27
Luke 5:4-6
John. 2:25, 16:30, 21:17
Acts 1:24Jesus is Omnipotent!
Matt. 28:18
Mark 1:29-34
John 10:18
Jude 24Jesus is Omnipresent!
Matt. 18:20, 28:20
Eph. 3:17, 4:10
If you are not willing to post them, then I am not willing to read them.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
If Jesus was God manifest and God was all knowing, meaning there was nothing He does not know already, wouldn't you think learning something would be pointless especially for a God or demi God if He knew all there was to know about any and eveything from the past now and the future onto eternity? Think.
I agree. If Jesus was god manifest in the flesh, then what you are saying make complete sense. But you are completely ignoring the possibility that Jesus was not god manifest in the flesh. In that case, what you are saying no longer makes sense. I side with Jesus being a human until I am given proof otherwise. 😉
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Jesus even knew exactly how, when, amd where He was going to die; who would betray Him.
That is how the story goes, but there is no writings, written by Jesus, to verify that belief.
Christianity rips off stories from Buddhism and other religions as well as adopting themes from greek/roman/egyptian and norse mythology.
Back in the day when a travel heard a good yarn, they'd make it apply to their own religion.
Doesn't anyone question all the similar stories that you find in various religions?
Originally posted by Robtard
Fisty,Don't you find it odd that the Bible doesn't have a single account of Jesus (it's head figure) for almost 20 years of his life.
He's born, he does some prodigy-style shit as a kid, disappears for nearly 20 years and then comes back with "I am God I am the way, here, let me die for you." That doesn't strike you as being a bit strange?
WTF could God have been doing for 20 years that no one wrote about, considering he made himself standout as a child? To me, it sounds like one of those train-wreak child star stories you see on VH1.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Interestingly, the only source of the historicity of Jesus is The Bible, and it says nothing about his life between the ages of 12 and 33.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I believe that Jesus was just a human, and not a deity. Therefore, it make absolute sense to talk about were Jesus got his ideas. If your belief prevents you from talking about this topic, then I suggest you do not read anything from this thread.
Ich kann nicht anders.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fisty,Don't you find it odd that the Bible doesn't have a single account of Jesus (it's head figure) for almost 20 years of his life.
He's born, he does some prodigy-style shit as a kid, disappears for nearly 20 years and then comes back with "I am God I am the way, here, let me die for you." That doesn't strike you as being a bit strange?
WTF could God have been doing for 20 years that no one wrote about, considering he made himself standout as a child? To me, it sounds like one of those train-wreak child star stories you see on VH1.
No. I don't find it odd at all. Everything that's in the Bible is all that's necessary to know.
Just like with the dinosaurs. They are mentioned in Genesis 1:20-21 by the way . . .21-"And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters" but not significantly, you know why cause it's irrelevant to what the goal of The Word is. In the Book of Job Ch.40, Verses 15 to 24 there're descriptions of animals called Behemoths and Leviathan. How it “moved it’s tail like a cedar tree!” I dunno, to me the Bible would've been digressing just a bit if it profoundly went into writing about raptor frills & t.rex fights to no end. The Bible has a theme ....and like any fine book, it sticks to theme.
Dinosaurs are not the theme of the Bible because it’s not a book of zoology or paleontology, and dinosaurs have absolutely nothing to do with God's plan of salvation
My point is, is that some things are just futile to know.
Jesus was most likely teaching and spreading the word and either getting harassed or followed because of it. What are we TMZ? Life wasn't recorded from age 12 thru his very early 30's, so? We know and are equipped with everything we need to know about Jesus and His plan, if that was all that was wrote about him in the Bible.
Unless more of his bio is missing in the Bible which I doubt.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
No. I don't find it odd at all. Everything that's in the Bible is all that's necessary to know.Just like with the dinosaurs. They are mentioned in Genesis 1:20-21 by the way . . .21-"And God proceeded to create the great sea monsters" but not significantly, you know why cause it's irrelevant to what the goal of The Word is. In the Book of Job Ch.40, Verses 15 to 24 there're descriptions of animals called Behemoths and Leviathan. How it “moved it’s tail like a cedar tree!” I dunno, to me the Bible would've been digressing just a bit if it profoundly went into writing about raptor frills & t.rex fights to no end. The Bible has a theme ....and like any fine book, it sticks to theme.
Dinosaurs are not the theme of the Bible because it’s not a book of zoology or paleontology, and dinosaurs have absolutely nothing to do with God's plan of salvation
My point is, is that some things are just futile to know.
Jesus was most likely teaching and spreading the word and either getting harassed or followed because of it. What are we TMZ? Life wasn't recorded from age 12 thru his very early 30's, so? We know and are equipped with everything we need to know about Jesus and His plan, if that was all that was wrote about him in the Bible.
Unless more of his bio is missing in the Bible which I doubt.
I assume you mean "necessary to know about Jesus" and not that the Bible is all anyone needs to know in an all encompassing facet?
I also believe the bible mentions Leviathan having glowing eyes and breathing fire and smoke from its mouth. So those descriptions don't really scream "dinosaur".
Well, that's a faulty analogy, as Jesus is certainly a major theme of the Bible, some might say, the main theme of it.
How do you know those 20 years would be a lesson in futility, when you don't know what they could be? Considering its 20 years of Jesus' (aka God) life, it's a safe bet it wouldn't be. It's not like Jesus gave up being God and just went about his carpenter ways in obscurity for 20 years just because he felt like it, does that sound plausible?
Again, it's odd (imo) that 20 years of the head figure of the Bible is completely traceless, not one mention of a miracle performed, or mention of some profound teaching of his. He's born, does some childhood feats, vanishes for 20 then comes back to die for us, odd.
20 years of his bio is missing, as fact. There's nothing to doubt there, it simply isn't there.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Even the greatest teacher learns from his/her students. If Jesus did not learn for his time her on Earth, then there would be no reason for his time on Earth.The bible (NT) was not written when Jesus was alive. Do you mean he knew the OT? If so, I agree; He must have learned it well.
There is also a story about how Jesus killed another child, and then brought him back to life. The Council of Nicaea did not include that story in the bible. By the time of the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) there were a lot of stories about the childhood of Jesus. They simply included the one you are referring to and left the other ones out. To be honest, I don’t believe ether story.
So if I say I was I AM, long before Moses, then would you worship me? I didn’t think so. We have already established that Jesus knew the OT like a scholar. All that Jesus was doing was saying he was god, but that does not make him god.
Again, this is simply expressing this person’s belief. However, just because he believes this and tells other people the reasoning behind his belief does not make his belief true; that requires proof.
I agree. If Jesus was god manifest in the flesh, then what you are saying make complete sense. But you are completely ignoring the possibility that Jesus was not god manifest in the flesh. In that case, what you are saying no longer makes sense. I side with Jesus being a human until I am given proof otherwise. 😉
The problem is, is that your comparing mere mortal teachers and teachings and earthly thought to those of a demi-god. There is no comparison.
And of course i meant the OT. But i should'a specified that. My bad. And he learned it (the OT) well? He didn't have learn it. He is the Word.
And i've never heard of Jesus killing a child so i can't comment on that.
And no, i wouldn't worship you if you said you were "I AM" because "you're not". Jesus is. And He's proved it time and time again. And that's my belief. And you have your non-beliefs.
And what i said does make sense. Jesus is a heavenly being. He was a demi-God. The King of kings.