Originally posted by lord xyz
The thing about spirituality is that because we're scared of it, we cling to the supernatural stories in religion rather than looking at the truth and seeing how precise nature acts. It's quite ironic really.
so, you think that people are religious out of fear although they know other things to be factually true?
Originally posted by lord xyz
I believe all religions are like that. It teaches ways to make life better.The thing about spirituality is that because we're scared of it, we cling to the supernatural stories in religion rather than looking at the truth and seeing how precise nature acts. It's quite ironic really.
Even just having spirituality requires the belief in something supernatural too.
I dont think its out of fear that we have beliefs or religeon, its because we have souls and and we are a part of the "collective conscious" Nothing happens by accident. We dont wake up with our hair combed and a made bed. Some one mentioned "They way Nature acts" Nature decays and falls appart it dosent come to order. We are not just Stardust that happened after billions of years to become cohesive and conscious. Most beliefs are the same from all eras and all parts of the world because we know there is something more, we just havent been made aware. Even science is discovering that evolution isnt possible. They dont want to give credit to Yah-Weh or what ever name for the Omnicient being you want to use so they call it intelligent design. This is my 2cents of course this intire discussion is about belief so no one can be write or wrong. If you read All ancient Mythos of All peoples there is a Being or Beings (Sumarians have Anninaki, India has Krishna,Egypt Osiris, MesoAmerica Verachocha , Hebrew Yah-Weh etc) that give us the ideas of Civilization. I find it facinating that for millions of years we were saying "ugh" and wearing animal furs using stone tools and then within the last 6 to 10,000 years we have Politics,War,commerce,science,Physics,Math,Medicine,art,music landed probes on other planets. It seems to me there was a catalyst that sparked this.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Even science is discovering that evolution isnt possible. They dont want to give credit to Yah-Weh or what ever name for the Omnicient being you want to use so they call it intelligent design.
Scientists don't believe in ID, mainly because ID isn't science. Also where did you get the idea that "evolution isn't possible"?
To answer your question...For evolution to be possible there has to be a single celled organism. Made up of Proteins ,amino acids, a multitude of components. These are complex systems in them selves. How did they come to fruition? As your name states "Chaos" is the law. Has there ever been a case of a 747 jet assembling itself? yet something infinitely more complex like a cell just amalgamated? I have to admit Intelligent design isn't science . My intention was to point out that certain people who where evolutionary scientist have abandoned the idea of evolution because it doesn't work. Science cant explain the advent of the protein anymore than someone can prove God. Science is as much a belief as Religion.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
To answer your question...For evolution to be possible there has to be a single celled organism. Made up of Proteins ,amino acids, a multitude of components. These are complex systems in them selves. How did they come to fruition? As your name states "Chaos" is the law. Has there ever been a case of a 747 jet assembling itself? yet something infinitely more complex like a cell just amalgamated? I have to admit Intelligent design isn't science . My intention was to point out that certain people who where evolutionary scientist have abandoned the idea of evolution because it doesn't work. Science cant explain the advent of the protein anymore than someone can prove God.
Chaos is the law but Chaos (by its very nature) does not preclude the production of Order. No one thinks that cells "just amalgamated" it's a long series of events that become probable when you note that the entire planet was a breeding ground.
Also, abiogenesis is not evolution. In fact it has nothing remotely to do with evolution.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Science is as much a belief as Religion.
No, science (and one of it's products, evolution) is testable, falsifiable and determined by evidence mountains. Atheism has become the equal of faith for some people but science and evolution don't have anything in common with religion unless you're so dim that you can't understand either Reason or Faith.
"Chaos doesn't preclude the production of order?" WOW!! And i amended my quote. Evolution , not science,is a leap of faith. If you are saying that Evolution has been impirically proved you are misinformed. And biogenisis has nothing to do with evolution? I am very interested on what your references are that you came up with these concepts. Truly i am always interested in learning and hearing someone out before i resort to insults. I am no scholar but i have taken College level Biology and the complexities of a cell are truly staggering. So please explain how the cell came to existence if not through evolving because my professor could not even explain it. Just the thought of a dim unreasoning student of truth.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
"Chaos doesn't preclude the production of order?" WOW!!
Chaos theory. Emergence. Random action leading to order is part of nature. A box of ropes will tie knots if you shake it ten or more times. Particles floating in space will clump together at random until they have enough mass to make a planet. Fractals provide a number of other examples.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
And i amended my quote. Evolution , not science,is a leap of faith.
And I noted that evolution is not a leap of faith. It has mountains of evidence, if you think it takes faith to believe in evolution it would be awfully hard to believe anything.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
And biogenisis has nothing to do with evolution?
They're two different things. Saying that abiogeneis is a leap of faith is reasonable but it's not an argument against evolution in any way shape or form. The fact that sodium will kill you (or at least hurt you) if you eat it doesn't mean water isn't a liquid.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Truly i am always interested in learning and hearing someone out before i resort to insults.
I have no such failing.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
I am no scholar but i have taken College level Biology and the complexities of a cell are truly staggering. So please explain how the cell came to existence if not through evolving because my professor could not even explain it.
No one knows how cells formed. Various postulates exist but all of them require a certain leap of faith. Fortunately for evolution does not deal with how cells formed.
Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Just the thought of a dim unreasoning student of truth.
And yet we have "Christian Science".