Originally posted by Solidus Snake
so a younger person knowing judo can never beat a person who had been doing judo longer.bring me proof that cyke is a better judo artist than dick. i gave facts, give me some. i beg u!.
PS the synopsis on cyke and dick u gave is biased in scotts favor and is not objective.
dick is not brash. and u have no proof that he has not reached the same level of perfection. batman also has a simultion danger room in the batcave that alfred runs him through. and alfred randomizes the targets and attackers as well. whos to say that dick never did this. we have no proof that cyke is better than dick, so i say assume they are at the same level or we would be giving one character an unfair advantage.
i agree with the fact that scott can utilize the danger room to fight attacker in judo etc, but i have rarely seen scott engage in hand to hand there. i always see him using his blasts. however, as i have no proof that he doesnt use it for h2h, coomon sense will tell me taht he does.
now, as dick and scott are from two different universes, one cannot easily compare the length of their training. scott is older i agree, but as i said just because someone was training longer tahn someone else does not mean that the more recent person is not as good as him or better.
what i do know for a fact is that nightwing has mastered more styles than scott, and in mastering those styles he has more options for defeating him. so even if they are in the same physical condition, dicks 6 styles would overpower scotts 2.
please give a counter arguement with facts and not opinions please. opinionated arguements ruin everything.
Umm...I am sure that Batman doesn't have anything close to the technology that Danger Room has. One of the points that Cyclops says more then often is that the X-Men should be ready for situations where their powers are not enough. Therefore they need to be trained extensively in martial arts. And yes, I believe that a man who has practiced Judo for twenty-five years can beat one who has practiced it for ten years. And I have said multiple times that Dick is not going to use all those styles in a fight against Cyclops. At best, he will probably use three. Sure, Dick has more ways to defeat Cyclops then Cyclops has to defeat Dick, but Cyclops doesn't need dozens of different ways to beat Nightwing when one is enough.
Dick is better then Cyclops in many martial arts. But Cyclops is better in others too. And experience matters a lot in a fight. Cyclops has his blasts, but he knows that he is as durable as normal human, therefore it would be logical to him be in perfect physical shape, which he is. As he is master in Aikido, the best defensive art there is, and he has practiced it for twenty five years, he is pretty skilled enough to block or dodge the attacks Dick throws at him. He has the best grappling style, and the best defensive style. He doesn't need anymore.
Dick beats him in styles that use punching and kicks. But Cyclops's Aikido, his defensive style, can counter them effectively. I know that Nightwing is best on Aikido and Escrima styles. His Aikido skill is probably a notch lower then Cyclops's, as he has not been practicing it as much or as long then Cyclops. And his trademark style, Escrima is not much help here, it relies on sticks which he wont have in this fight. Now, he has been using that style for years, and he has to accommodate in fight where he can't use them. I am not saying that it will limit him fatally, but it is an downside. Also, I believe that Dick relies on his speed and agility on fight, unlike Cyclops who is more like strength guy, hitting only few hits and relying more on defensive style. Now, as Dick is faster and more agile then Cyclops, he will get probably more hits on Cyclops then Cyclops gets on Dick. But, as Cyclops is master of Aikido, he will block most of those hits.
Practitioners of fast styles, ones that Nightwing uses, have the weakness of getting caught. The basic point of these styles are that the fighter must attack fast, then dodge. Cyclops is an master of Judo. It is an grappling style. Now, if Cyclops gets an hold of Dick, I believe that his superior strenght and skill in Judo will prevent Nightwing from escaping. Cyclops is also durable enough to take many hits from Dick until the right moment to catch him. I might not be right, but I believe that I am.
Whoa...detailed descriptions of martial art fights...im going down on JP road...