Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Scott clearly has more muscle mass. Dick is way more skinnier then he is. Dick is built like acrobat, Soctt is built like boxer. Cyclops is stronger.
doesnt mean anything.
for one its artistic license...in any given month u could have a variety of styles on nightwing, batman, and cyclops.
and im in the gym now, and there are some men who are huge and push the exact same weights as smaller men.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
It doesn't matter, if he kicks ass good, then he is a good fighter.
Originally posted by Solidus Snake
doesnt mean anything.
for one its artistic license...in any given month u could have a variety of styles on nightwing, batman, and cyclops.and im in the gym now, and there are some men who are huge and push the exact same weights as smaller men.
Besides, Scott's nickname is "Slim" for a reason.
Originally posted by demigawd
I was wondering the same thing, but it seems to have shifted to Nightwing, which I guess is a bit more fair, but I don't see Cyclops as a master martial artist. Where did he train? Whom did he train with? What are his martial arts feats? Whom did he best? There's an extensive list for Nightwing. How extensive is it for Cyclops?
I believe that Xavier first entrusted them with sessions in Danger Room where they could not use powers...and it is easy the program martial arts training sessions in Danger Room. After more members joined, I gues he got training from Wolverine and such. Currently in Xavier institute, students get martial arts training two hours in day...I suppose on the early days, where there were lot less students, Xavier was able to provide them with equal or better training.
Well, given that Xavier himself isn't much of a martial artist, I doubt Scott's training is top notch. When I think of X-men with great martial arts abilities, I think of Wolverine, Shadowcat, Psylocke and Bishop. When I think of X-men with very good martial arts abilities, I think of Storm and Gambit. When I think of X-men with ok martial arts abilities, I think of Cyclops.
So if Cyclops isn't top five on his own team, I don't see how he can beat two of the premier martial artists in DC in hand-to-hand combat. Scott just doesn't have the feats to make this a good matchup.
Originally posted by demigawd
Well, given that Xavier himself isn't much of a martial artist, I doubt Scott's training is top notch. When I think of X-men with great martial arts abilities, I think of Wolverine, Shadowcat and Bishop. When I think of X-men with very good martial arts abilities, I think of Storm and Gambit. When I think of X-men with ok martial arts abilities, I think of Cyclops.So if Cyclops isn't top five on his own team, I don't see how he can beat two of the premier martial artists in DC in hand-to-hand combat. Scott just doesn't have the feats to make this a good matchup.
agreed. he has given wolverine trouble in a fight, when you say martial arts skill, keep in mind I'm saying fighting efficiency.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
agreed. he has given wolverine trouble in a fight, when you say martial arts skill, keep in mind I'm saying fighting efficiency.
Arcade has given Wolverine trouble in a fight before, slippery little devil. Doesn't mean he's anywhere near Wolverine's actual level of skill.
Define "fighting efficiency".
Just for the record, I don't even give Logan the edge H2H against Nightwing, and he's the X-men's premier martial artist.
Originally posted by demigawd
Arcade has given Wolverine trouble in a fight before, slippery little devil. Doesn't mean he's anywhere near Wolverine's actual level of skill.Define "fighting efficiency".
Just for the record, I don't even give Logan the edge H2H against Nightwing, and he's the X-men's premier martial artist.
Fighting proificency and fighting efficiency are two different things.
Spiderman is a less skilled martial artist but would kick batmans ass in h2h, because of his superior physicaliaty. He is the better fighter.
Batman is more skilled, therefore proificent.
wolvie isnt a martial artist. hes a brawler
i say nightwing would take him too.
wolvie is too slow. in every fight hes in, he gets injured. nightwing would crush his larynx when he realized wolvie is as hard as steel.
first nightwing would blind him by poking out his eyes and then hed crush his throat.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
His Official bios list him having "extensive martial arts training". Also, he beats people while blind, I don't think that he is "ok" martial artist. And if he can hold off against Wolverine, then he is pretty good.
Your average Hand Ninja has "extensive martial arts training" too, don't they? And it doesn't stop Jubilee from owning a dozen of them. "Extensive martial arts training" in a bio is meaningless. Like I said, it's all about the feats. Not getting demolished by your teammate isn't all that impressive. Who has he beaten H2H while blind?
Originally posted by Solidus SnakeWolverine isnt a martial artist? Wolvie is slow? Nightwing would get to his throat? You truly are ignorant of Wolverine,arent you?
wolvie isnt a martial artist. hes a brawleri say nightwing would take him too.
wolvie is too slow. in every fight hes in, he gets injured. nightwing would crush his larynx when he realized wolvie is as hard as steel.
first nightwing would blind him by poking out his eyes and then hed crush his throat.