Originally posted by Never
You said, and I do quote, "stand up to class 50 and above characters." You said nothing about concussive force.
sorry I thought that was impliedd since the discussion was whether or not he could sustain spiderman punches..I didn't think that needed to be made clear...
"until proven otherwise I simply disagree... "
this was inreference to spiderman vs. wolverine...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I'm betting a nice hit on the ears would do him in, becuase of his enhanced senses, its a disadvantage.
Yeah, that's another way. Recall Incredible Hulk #345, I think it is? Grey Hulk. Wolverine on cover with his claws unsheathed. Tom Mcfarlane was the artist.
Hulk thunderclapped Wolverine and Wolverine struggled to stand up straight because his ears were ringing so horribly.
Difference is Hulk's thunderclap is actually one of his "signature moves," so to speak -- Spiderman cannot generate nearly the force that Hulk can (hell, Hulk "thunderclapped" a lake dry).
But the point remains.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
sigh, here we go with this again. Spiderman was hardly trying to dodge wolverine, do you agree that spiderman dodges multiple superpowered people regularly, and has a precog.Can logan be in two places at once?
yes yes he does..do you agree that none of these villains are wolverine?
i thought villains are not credible examples to use to you?
Originally posted by Never
Yeah, that's another way. Recall Incredible Hulk #345, I think it is? Grey Hulk. Wolverine on cover with his claws unsheathed. Tom Mcfarlane was the artist.Hulk thunderclapped Wolverine and Wolverine struggled to stand up straight because his ears were ringing so horribly.
Difference is Hulk's thunderclap is actually one of his "signature moves," so to speak -- Spiderman cannot generate nearly the force that Hulk can (hell, Hulk "thunderclapped" a lake dry).
But the point remains.
Understand the sonic force and such, I'm saying that an ear clap can be a lethal technique, moreso for wolverine (senses), a full force one from spiderman should do the trick.
It hurt the hulk, I'm not saying the "thunderclap"
Im being a bit Ignorant here because im being to lazzy to read the first pages of this thead.. but are we arguing about wether or not Spiderman could knock out Wolverine ??????
He should be able to because at leats ten times stronger than Wolverine, but ive seen Sasquatch laying into Wolverine with little to no effect
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Originally posted by jinzin
first off the one shot was IN continuity so I don't see how secret wars takes more precedence than it does....secondly..."I bash away with everything I've got"
"i'm hitting him hard enough to wreck cars"
"i've given him everything I've got. he just keeps coming"
how it is even debateable in your minds that spiderman was indeed holding back I have no idea...
him swatting wolvie upwards is alot different than him punching wolverine into solid and grounded objects...how would wolverine's body fly if he had nowhere to go but into the ground (which is basically where he was already at)?
spidey hit him with everything he had and couldn't bring wolvie down...spiderman punches aren't doing anything here...
I just want to make 4 things clear here, with regards to ANY character:
1: Inertia, if you were to hit a punching bag(the small coordination one , dexterity training), you see it reacts. It moves around, alot. Same with a person, except with the inside. If you were to hit someone in the head, the victim inside would feel the force (brain). The energy just doesn't stop at the inital hit.
2: Stronger metal absorbs such forces less. People often mistake the adamantium for not feeling any damage, and the adamantium absorbing ALL of the damage. The reverse is true, tougher metals absorb less because their bonds don't give in to the force. If I were to drive an indestructable car, and collide with something (wall) with a great force, I would still get tossed around, moreso even. In fact newer cars actually give MORE support to the victim by moving in to absorb more damage of collsion. In short, the adamatium ABSORBS the hits fine.
3: The velocity in attacks are there to make the hit into an even greater effect.
A 30000 lifter with the starting velocity of (300-400mph first sec), is stronger than many realize. The writers don't often include that (everything would die, or a character holds back), but its all included here, because this is a HYPOTHETICAL argument.
4: Using that SAME TOKEN, just because a char was hit by a 100 ton lifter, than that doesn't mean the hits were at 100 tons. If I were to get hit by WW and stand up, I wouldn't go "I survived a 100 ton hit", so its hard to measure hits in comics, because often you'll see a guy like batman do more damage to a guy, than a hit by flash.
Thats all.