Predators vs Elites

the plasma fired from the rifle is the same stuff thats fired from the space ships (only bigger) and its the same stuff thats fired from the vehicles only slightly bigger... the plasma rifles in the game would melt the hull only at a slower speed then to the larger ones....

Yes there lower in strength and if you remember he fights one hand to hand and we learn that its nearly as strong as him.... elites are much stronger then predators. whats the most you have seen them lift? arnie??? are there any times where they fight someone whos very strong and prove to be a near match??? Elites are very nimble and quick there reactions are again heightened but master chief is said to be quicker. Elites run faster then MC though.

"The Predators are also much better tacticians. They would easily be able to defeat whatever the Elites had in store for them."
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Elites have to fight the Master Cheif and now Brutes.

Originally posted by GGgrievous725
your not worthy of my good insults

I don't particularly give a $h!t what you think I am worthy of, if all your capable of doing is insulting people, then your not worthy of my time... kwasny

guys guys guys.... lets all take a few deep breaths... this is supposed to be a fun lively debate.

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Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"sorry but if they kill space battleship armour, those shields will get owned."

Ok bare with me here.... The ships the humans have use class A titanium armor 3 meters thick... An elite plasma rife can melt though this,as we are told in a gun. When MC shoots an elite with a plasma rifle It takes several shots to break its shields..... Shields>titanium armor.
This is due to the fact that the shields are designed to repel the shots from plasma and bullets.
Preds might be able to hack up the space ships but they won't glide though an elites shielding like that.

"Allow me to point out, *Yet again from a previous post* a reference source of Predator weapons and technology."

I never ignored it....
You tell me that a geocities website, that could be done by some fanboy is cannon.... let me go make my own then to create some golden information.....
Funny that my information comes from the book which is actually written for the game. not some persons humble opinion on the series posted on a website, not even an official website.. don't make me try to swallow that rubbish.
I'm more interested in the fact that the military hydra doesn't exist outside of extinction, along with there shields.

"Predator Weaponry are as follows:
Wrist Blades
Scatter Gun
Naginata
Dart Guns
Net Launchers
Forearm Plasma Cannon/Laser
Combi-Stick
Smart Disk
Shoulder Plasma Caster
Dual Mounted Heavy Laser Cannon
Shoulder Mounted Micro Missile Launcher
Anti-Vehicle Plasma Bolt Cannon
Burner (napalm)
Chemical Sprayer
Other specialized weapons (plasma scythe and voulge were mentioned)"

You know as well as I do that half of that list wouldn't work against them.
and not all of that would even be carried by a predator...

Still the one hit kill for the predator remains... Too many of them would die too quickly in a war against the elites..

The website has very good information. I took the list from there, but go in and tell me if you seriously see anything that you disagree strongly with. The stuff's taken directly from comics and games and such.

And don't you try to mislead too... In my post that YOU are quoting, I said myself that one predator would not carry all of the equipment. The point was to show that Preds have plenty of firepower besides "knives and a spear". Each are completely unaffected by stuff like Alien acid as well, so blocking plasma with them is conceivable (the spear and wrist blades, that is). Also, they do have missiles ya know...

Has no one brought up that pushing over 66 tons is MUCH different than lifting it? Master Chief is owhere near to benching 66 tons. He can do MAYBE 15. And that's being generous. Proper leverage can let you flip over a lot of things.

Your one hit kill would still require hitting vital areas. A sho9t to the chest or head would kill one, but getting hit in the arm will most certainly not. And who the heck had the gall to accust Darkstorm of overspeculating, and then saying that Halo bullets are obviously much more advanced than normal bullets?

The gap between good predators, normal predators, and bad predators is different than the gap between the verious ranks of elites.

Elders are the best of the best, they make up around 1% of the population. The elite warrors are about 10%. Normal warriors are about 60%, young bloods and blooded are the other 40%. Both movie preds were blooded. The newest of the new. And 1 still took out something in the vicinity of 15 troops by itself.

Is this a circular argument, you know the place is loaded with haloboys, its going to go on and on.

Having argued again and again with you over the other areas of your post I'm only going to address this bit. The rest is rubbish and you know it.

"Your one hit kill would still require hitting vital areas. A shot to the chest or head would kill one, but getting hit in the arm will most certainly not."

Hitting a predator in the arm with plasma would mean its no longer going to be able to fight. It will need time to heal itself/die. Plasma burns... There arm isn't going to be still hanging on your know.... If they are able to stand up and fight still how effective are they going to be? they can't exactly use any of there weapons part from there blades.

"And who the heck had the gall to accuse Dark-storm of over speculating, and then saying that Halo bullets are obviously much more advanced than normal bullets?"

Lets see. Dark-storm thinks they will evolve and get new tech and what not in 500 years, even though the films tell us they haven't for the past 500 years. Also predators don't need new tech to hunt in the aliens universe. So there less inclined to be researching new stuff compared to out killing gangsters and pregnant ladies.

Where as I speculated that bullets must of gotten better as there more accurate and do more damage in Halo compared to now... YUP I'm well out of order there....🙄

You put words in my mouth...

I said that what makes you think they wouldn't? that doesn't make what I said any more or less of a speculation than what you claimed happened with the bullets.

Oh and about plasma Damage, Again, in the games, we don't see this, Limbs don't get burned off, even guys without shields don't go down in one hit from any plasma weapon short of a vehicle, or maybe a well placed charged palsma pistol shot... Whereas we have SEEN predator weaponry prove to be lethal in single hits. And yes, even in the games (Concrete Jungle being a prime example, Heck even an uncharged shot as the added incindiary effect...)

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Having argued again and again with you over the other areas of your post I'm only going to address this bit. The rest is rubbish and you know it.

"Your one hit kill would still require hitting vital areas. A shot to the chest or head would kill one, but getting hit in the arm will most certainly not."

Hitting a predator in the arm with plasma would mean its no longer going to be able to fight. It will need time to heal itself/die. Plasma burns... There arm isn't going to be still hanging on your know.... If they are able to stand up and fight still how effective are they going to be? they can't exactly use any of there weapons part from there blades.

"And who the heck had the gall to accuse Dark-storm of over speculating, and then saying that Halo bullets are obviously much more advanced than normal bullets?"

Lets see. Dark-storm thinks they will evolve and get new tech and what not in 500 years, even though the films tell us they haven't for the past 500 years. Also predators don't need new tech to hunt in the aliens universe. So there less inclined to be researching new stuff compared to out killing gangsters and pregnant ladies.

Where as I speculated that bullets must of gotten better as there more accurate and do more damage in Halo compared to now... YUP I'm well out of order there....🙄

Are you seriously saying Master Chief can bench 66 tons now? And disregarding the fact that tipping a vehicle would be a lot easier than picking it up as rubbish? Or are you saying you don't believe someone who benches 200 could conceivably tip over something that weighs 800 pounds? Tha C Master proves right again, we have hardcore Halo kids in the house... (goooo alliteration)

Hitting a pred in the arm would leave him with... wait... (counts)... ONE arm. To use the conveniently placed forearm plasma guns/lasers. As well as whatever melee weapons that one happens to be carrying.

As to addressing weapons, Alien Acid is insanely corrosive. Titanium is a hard Earthen metal, the blades have proven to be beyond Earthen metals. And as far as one hit kills go, missiles DO still work rather well for that in Halo. Just because you decide to disregard a point doesn't mean it's not valid.

500 years is a long time to advance. The movie said they still had good technology a while back, but does that mean it's never improved? And saying bullets have gotten better is as much specualtion as anything. You can't prove crap, they work about the same as bullets do today. Accuracy and such varies from game to game, unless you're suddenly a firearms expert and have analyzed all this. So both arguments follow a fairly good line of logic, and both are completely unprovable...

Quit trying to discredit people, you people discrediting piece of b!tch!!! 😉

Ok first with darkstorm;

"Oh and about plasma Damage, Again, in the games, we don't see this, Limbs don't get burned off, even guys without shields don't go down in one hit from any plasma weapon short of a vehicle, or maybe a well placed charged plasma pistol shot..."

yes we don't see them getting shot off, and he don't see people getting cut in 2 with swords. Just like we don't see marines getting all the bones in there body broken from one hit from a hunter. Though the books tell us that happens. The game is 15, they tonned down the violence so more kids could play it. If it was an 18 you would see alot more gore, Look what happens to the flood when you shot them, the same would happen to marines, but there human so they last alittle longer. Human armor is designed to reflect energy based weapons in halo, so they could take a few shots. The game makes them last alittle longer or theres no point having them there. Preditors weapons.... Most need two hands to use. Or even load, I said they could use there blades, the plasma gun they could use too, the rest though I'm doubt full.

"Are you seriously saying Master Chief can bench 66 tons now? And disregarding the fact that tipping a vehicle would be a lot easier than picking it up as rubbish? Or are you saying you don't believe someone who benches 200 could conceivably tip over something that weighs 800 pounds?"

I never said he could bench press 66 tons. I don't know. May be he could may be he couldn't but I will place his strength at around 50 tons.

"As to addressing weapons, Alien Acid is insanely corrosive. Titanium is a hard Earthen metal, the blades have proven to be beyond Earthen metals. And as far as one hit kills go, missiles DO still work rather well for that in Halo."

yes they probably could all use missiles and kill the elites, but n00bish comments like that don't work here. Your going to tell me every preditor is going to kill all the elites with rockets.

ALL ELITES CARRY PLASMA RIFLES, its standard equipment for them. Not all preds carry rockets, if they do there not going to have alot of shots. acid would probably not hurt elite shields. It might hurt the eiltes though. plasma burns very hot. Theres a big difference between plasma and acid, you know that. Show me that a predator can survive being in a sun. Thats about how hot plasma burns. I'm not disregarding a point I'm discredating it.

"You can't prove crap, they work about the same as bullets do today."

If you accept this, then you must except that the preds haven't advanced in the last 500 years either. Though human bullets/guns have advanced, the pistols show that they now have the ability to piece tanks. pistols right now can't Peirce tanks. We have MAC cannons in halo. A big achievement for a gun!

"Quit trying to discredit people, you people discrediting piece of b!tch!!!"

You seriously think I'm discrediting you??? You mistake me sir. I'm challenging your posts. By that I might be trying to discredit your answers, If I conceder them to be wrong.
Might I conceder you check your english though, You can't really call some one a piece of b!tch, unless you really think im a piece of a dog.. LOL silly boy.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Ok first with darkstorm;

"Oh and about plasma Damage, Again, in the games, we don't see this, Limbs don't get burned off, even guys without shields don't go down in one hit from any plasma weapon short of a vehicle, or maybe a well placed charged plasma pistol shot..."

yes we don't see them getting shot off, and he don't see people getting cut in 2 with swords. Just like we don't see marines getting all the bones in there body broken from one hit from a hunter. Though the books tell us that happens. The game is 15, they tonned down the violence so more kids could play it. If it was an 18 you would see alot more gore, Look what happens to the flood when you shot them, the same would happen to marines, but there human so they last alittle longer. Human armor is designed to reflect energy based weapons in halo, so they could take a few shots. The game makes them last alittle longer or theres no point having them there. Preditors weapons.... Most need two hands to use. Or even load, I said they could use there blades, the plasma gun they could use too, the rest though I'm doubt full.

Play concrete jungle... all the feates I've mentioned are right in there... strength feats, gore, lost limbs and all, AND ITS STILL 15...

Play that, then come back and debate with me...

You seem to forget, that in every game, movie and comic that the predators have been featured in, their plasma weapons do far more damage than any covenant sidearm has been proven to do...

Originally posted by Dizzle
Are you seriously saying Master Chief can bench 66 tons now? And disregarding the fact that tipping a vehicle would be a lot easier than picking it up as rubbish? Or are you saying you don't believe someone who benches 200 could conceivably tip over something that weighs 800 pounds? Tha C Master proves right again, we have hardcore Halo kids in the house... (goooo alliteration)

God, those guys just don't think master chief can lose, they went onnn and onnnn, and onnn...

lol I'm inclided to ignore all that comes from C-master interms of Fanboyism. Every time he starts to lose hes the first to rant about fanboys. yet wait till a ryu thread pops up....

"You seem to forget, that in every game, movie and comic that the predators have been featured in, their plasma weapons do far more damage than any covenant sidearm has been proven to do..."

You realise plasma burns as hot as the sun??? your telling me that there plasma won't burn a preditor.....

Maybe CJ plasma weapons aren't like Covenant weapons???

Your putting words into my mouth again....

I did NOT say that Covenant plasma weapons don't burn, what I am saying is that theyr burn area must be considerably smaller than those of the Predator weaponry because, lets face it, it's not proven to be much stronger than a Battle rifle.

And as for CJ Plasma being different?

Dude... What is that supposed to prove? Look, draw a comparison, I Did and came up with this, the Predator Plasmacaster has about the same destructive splash damage (And added incindiary effect mind you) as at least a fuel rod cannon shot, at most, a Wraith Shot. I have CJ and both halos to draw that comparison.

I'm not drawing a conclusion from the game. I'm talking about the books. Remember that alot of the game can not show the real life side of things.

You keep saying that I'm putting words in your mouth,But I'm quoting you???

When halo came out people wanted it to be put at an 18! they said they didn't make it worse cause they wanted a bigger audience.

"I did NOT say that Covenant plasma weapons don't burn, what I am saying is that theyr burn area must be considerably smaller than those of the Predator weaponry because, lets face it, it's not proven to be much stronger than a Battle rifle."

Remember the armor everyone is waring is made to be strong against plasma. MC suit even gets downgraded against bullets in halo2... Plus most people have shields. They are absorbing most of the plasma shots. In the books people die from 1/2 plasma shots who don't wear armor or shields. Predator falls into that category.

The Predator Plasmacaster has about the same destructive splash damage as at least a fuel rod cannon shot, at most, a Wraith Shot. I have CJ and both halos to draw that comparison.

erm... back to the drawing board. The plasmacaster is about as strong as the plasma gun... at best a fuelrod gun... A wraith!!! your out of your mind...

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I never said he could bench press 66 tons. I don't know. May be he could may be he couldn't but I will place his strength at around 50 tons.

"As to addressing weapons, Alien Acid is insanely corrosive. Titanium is a hard Earthen metal, the blades have proven to be beyond Earthen metals. And as far as one hit kills go, missiles DO still work rather well for that in Halo."

yes they probably could all use missiles and kill the elites, but n00bish comments like that don't work here. Your going to tell me every preditor is going to kill all the elites with rockets.

ALL ELITES CARRY PLASMA RIFLES, its standard equipment for them. Not all preds carry rockets, if they do there not going to have alot of shots. acid would probably not hurt elite shields. It might hurt the eiltes though. plasma burns very hot. Theres a big difference between plasma and acid, you know that. Show me that a predator can survive being in a sun. Thats about how hot plasma burns. I'm not disregarding a point I'm discredating it.

"You can't prove crap, they work about the same as bullets do today."

If you accept this, then you must except that the preds haven't advanced in the last 500 years either. Though human bullets/guns have advanced, the pistols show that they now have the ability to piece tanks. pistols right now can't Peirce tanks. We have MAC cannons in halo. A big achievement for a gun!

"Quit trying to discredit people, you people discrediting piece of b!tch!!!"

You seriously think I'm discrediting you??? You mistake me sir. I'm challenging your posts. By that I might be trying to discredit your answers, If I conceder them to be wrong.
Might I conceder you check your english though, You can't really call some one a piece of b!tch, unless you really think im a piece of a dog.. LOL silly boy.

50 tons is still way too much. Master Chief doesn't even lift anything close to that heavy. His best strength feat is tipping a tank. So I figure that someone with any leverage at all can tip several times what they can bench. Say a car. A person who can bench about 200 can feasibly tip a car that that's been flipped over by one thing or another. Now, most cars will weigh over a ton, so for the sake of argument, we'll say this one's exactly 1 ton. So that guy's flipping 10x what he can bench. So if Master Chief can flip 66 tons, you have evidence for him benching around 6-7 tons. I doubt he can do much more than that, but I was generous and said 10-15. USE LOGIC DAMMIT!

I was saying Preds have ways to kill Elites fairly easily... I'm not saying all of them have rockets, but some do. And those that do can take several Elites down by themselves. All weapons are an advantage.

Alien Acid? I used it as an example of the strength of the Predator's metal used in the spear and the wrist blades. Nothing more. Now you're putting words in MY mouth... (that means you said I said something that I didn't say, btw)

I'm not saying either of the specualtion arguments are valid... You're still trying to make it seem as though yours is and his is not though.

And the phrase "piece of b!tch" amuses me. Notice the wink, I was being sarcastic. You piece of dog. (I was "discrediting you" by saying you discredit others...)

I missed a word out in my post;

"Theres a big difference between plasma and acid, you know that. Show me that a predator metal can survive being in a sun."

Thats how the line should of read. Still they would not be able to survive that kinda heat, metal or skin.

The strength argument...
In this thread and the SA one, both times you have tried to bring down the strength figure.... lets remember.. Master chief was a perfect human.... At the age of 14 he had the body of a Olympic athlete.. Then he had his strength Improved... And then spent the rest of his time training... His strength is improved by his suit again. It is entirely possible he could bench the tank, We wont know. However He is very strong and is easily able to break the 25 mark.
The only thing you can come up with is that he might of used leverage to turn the tank... Remember him dragging the bomb on the space station??? one handed, making it look easy? Predators are no where near that...!

Someone doesn't like to be corrected hey? lol admit your wrong, we can move on! it tickled me to think you though I would accept you were doing it on purpose... It doesn't make sense....
If you were being sarcastic then try looking up what sarcasim is first, That sir was a very poor attemt at it!

Heres a good one;
😗 "Your right Predators are much stronger, better equipt and would easily kill elites"😗

(I was "discrediting you" by saying you discredit others...)
Only makes you a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
lol I'm inclided to ignore all that comes from C-master interms of Fanboyism. Every time he starts to lose hes the first to rant about fanboys. yet wait till a ryu thread pops up....

Blah blah blah, for your information, I didn't even CALL you a fanboy for one, second, where in the hell have I been losing?

I havent even been in this thread seriously, and the rest of the damned threads are JOKES. In this forum, they are HORRIBLY mismatched, and are usually pure fun.

I'd sure love to know who's been making me LOSE in these threads, because it sure doesn't happen in comic versus, and thats where the big boys play, guess who's top ranked there?

Anyway, thats not the point, you are saying I'm a ryu fanboy? Prove it.

Where have I said ryu was undefeatable, where have I even given a serious debate over ryu? Most of the threads are fun threads there's a difference, I haven't lost ANYTHING.

I find it funny how I can go in religion or general discussion, and get along with the most offensive people fine, but then I go into, say comic versus or game versus, and there's a WOLVERIDIOT or a BATBOY, or a HALOSCRUB who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

Just like in that wolverine vs snake thread (which I'm sure is where your little assumption came from), where SOME people tried to make him seem like a werewolf, and that he cannot die.

I thought wolverine would win, and I just pointed out that he doesn't regenerate lost limbs, etc.

Did anyone prove me wrong? No.

Do they ever not really, because I don't have to go into threads, and not know what the hell I'm talking about.

The debates around here, are going off of standard equipment, and what they have/ don't have, at the present time.

I notice fanboys add shit into debates the longer it goes on, starting a circular argument.

That or a "feat war". Where its, x beat xxx, so they win.

As for flipping something, you don't have to LIFT that much to FLIP it, there's a difference in leverage.

Common sense, use it and apply it...

PS: I'm not mad, but I had to get a few things clear...

ok I won't continue arguing with you Cmaster as you messaged Me saying you weren' originally calling me a Fanboy...