Too lazy to quote...
My point was that you have no way of proving that Master Chief can lift over 10 tons... I'm sure he's a bit more than that, but even 25's a stretch.
And your a hypocrite. For calling me a hypocrite and being one yourself! 😄 (and round and round we go!)
(thats a joke, for our mentally challenged friends in the audience)
Preds win on:
Overall skill
Weapons to at the very least compete with the Elites.
Overall experience. Preds live to 1000 if they don't get killed.
skill bah... Aren't nearly 60% of them unexperienced??? only 1% would be "elder" class....
Weapons go to the elites for the ability to one hit kill a pred. preds will need several hits to elites.
Elites have better strength, reflexes, and speed.
I know alot of you don't think vehicles should be included, but they would win with them.
Elites have shields!!! SHIELDS people! they would easily take quite a few shots from a pred.
Elites fight wars all the time! Predators very seldom fight in groups bigger then 10. (10 at a push)
Explain how I'm a hypocrite? where have I contradicted myself???
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
skill bah... Aren't nearly 60% of them unexperienced??? only 1% would be "elder" class....
Matters not, the skill of the predators puts these guys to shame, you don't think that in all of the years and centuries of war and fighting, they don't have the best means for survival.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Weapons go to the elites for the ability to one hit kill a pred. preds will need several hits to elites.
Why is that, do you know of the predators weapons?
Indestructable, ailens don't corrode it, Shouldercannon, disc, spear, net, medicomp, speargun, wristblade, and many more.
P.S this is what the preds USUALLY carry, its their standard equipment.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Elites have better strength, reflexes, and speed.
Debatable, but they don't have better cunning, intelligence, craftmanship, and technique.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I know alot of you don't think vehicles should be included, but they would win with them.
Elites don't NORMALLY carry this stuff, nor sniper rifles, we are talking about a hypothetical matchup.
This is the equivalent of bringing the batmobile in a batman match.
CHEAP!!!
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Elites have shields!!! SHIELDS people! they would easily take quite a few shots from a pred.
Predators have SHIELDS, AND medicomps , not to mention cloaking, many fields of view, and the experience, preds live to examine and destroy their prey and opponents.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Elites fight wars all the time! Predators very seldom fight in groups bigger then 10. (10 at a push)
Predators kill a nest of ailens, some live for centuries fending off ailens with only A SPEAR.
Imagine that in quanitity.
Originally posted by Hit_and_MissI don't see anything yet, but I will have to tell.
Explain how I'm a hypocrite? where have I contradicted myself???
hypocrite: a person who pretends to be what she or he is not; who pretends to be better than she or he is, or to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so.
doesn't apply to me!!!!
"Matters not, the skill of the predators puts these guys to shame, you don't think that in all of the years and centuries of war and fighting, they don't have the best means for survival."
unexperienced pr editors get killed by arnie and danny! so an unexperienced pred would get owned by marines. Elites wipe the floor with marines.
"Indestructible, aliens don't corrode it, Shouldercannon, disc, spear, net, medicomp, speargun, wristblade, and many more."
Yes theres a big difference between acid and plasma, one burns a bit the other at the heat of the sun. Show me preds armor/weapons can survive the heat of the sun.
"cunning, intelligence, craftsmanship, and technique."
Cunning and intelligence...Hmmmm got any good feats for them? I'll say there probably evenly matched. In battle higher up elites do show a high intelligence in trying to out think master chief. In the books they do lay traps for him.
craftsmanship, and technique....I don't think either will really matter (if your talking about making weapons) fighting technique I would give to predators though, But its really a minor as the staffs wouldn't really kill a elite unless its shields were gone. It would be a case of whoever landed the blow first.
Ok, Firstly, how many unexperienced (Unblooded) Predators do you think the Elders of each clan, or the Antients would bring into the war? Certanly Blooded predators will want first dibs, as a war is like one giganting hunting trip for these guys... and in War, especially against an advanced race like the elites, would only be attempted by Blooded warriors because of the difficulty of the prey.
Secondly, intelligence... Ok, Have YOU got any feats that don't tie directly into the rest of the Covenant? the fact that Preds developed their technology solo tells me that they are particularly intelligent and inventive. They have exeptional battlefield ingenuity as well (Using parts of Aliens to create makeshift weapons is a star example of this.) Close combat martial technique, have weforgotted Predatoor plasma weaponry (Scythe, Saber and Voluge) already?
"Ok, Firstly, how many unexperienced (Unblooded) Predators do you think the Elders of each clan, or the Antients would bring into the war?"
Be fair and keep true to numbers, The elites would not all be "royal guards"
You can't just say that all the preds coming are "elders" the most would be unexperienced, and the rest might be good. The Elites would have alot of "blue ranks" then more experienced elites aswell.
Elites show alot of intelligence the higher up they go in the chain of command. They are the will of the prophets and must show considerable intelligence to command space ships and armadas. They would require alot of intelligence to be able to use the forerunner technology aswell.
I don't have alot of feats that don't tie into the rest of the covenant, as you know the elites are the covenant. There isn't information available on them. I don't want to speculate about them either.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"Ok, Firstly, how many unexperienced (Unblooded) Predators do you think the Elders of each clan, or the Antients would bring into the war?"Be fair and keep true to numbers, The elites would not all be "royal guards"
You can't just say that all the preds coming are "elders" the most would be unexperienced, and the rest might be good. The Elites would have alot of "blue ranks" then more experienced elites aswell.Elites show alot of intelligence the higher up they go in the chain of command. They are the will of the prophets and must show considerable intelligence to command space ships and armadas. They would require alot of intelligence to be able to use the forerunner technology aswell.
I don't have alot of feats that don't tie into the rest of the covenant, as you know the elites are the covenant. There isn't information available on them. I don't want to speculate about them either.
You are using Movie Preds that have to lose, because they are the bad guys, and considering BOTH arnold and danny had to get lucky, it isn't really helping your argument. In fact arnold won, because the pred LET HIM.
To top it off, how many humans did THEY kill.
Anyways, I've heard that one before, "preds suck because they lost to xxxx". Thats a coolness argument, use whats from their backgrounds.
If my little sister killed 1 elite on halo, would it suffice to say that the elite sucked, hell no.
Here some info..
"Thermographic vision to 2000'. See the invisible through thermographic vision.
They breathe 1% more oxygen, and 4% more nitrogen than humans. They can adapt to earth's natural gasses, but it could only last for 1 week at the most. If Dr Bergstrom is correct on her theory (Predator: Homeworld), this could be because this is what the atmosphere was like on Earth millions of years ago.
They can hold their breath for several minutes.
Can jump up to three times their height, and can fall ten times their height and land on their feet.
Predators can imitate the speech/sounds of other species, but do not necessarily understand the meaning of what they say. They often imitate voices of the species they are hunting in order to fool or terrify their prey. They do pick up languages quickly, however without formally studying the language as a secondary skill.
They can hear a whisper up to 50 feet away.
Impervious to heat (boiling water gets uncomfortable after 5 minutes), invulnerable to electricity and to radiation.
They are fast enough to dodge bullets, if they see them coming and can, because of their tough hides, shrug off most small-calliber bullets.
They have no use for magic, and find it disdainful. Only cowards would resort to parlor tricks.
Chances of a psionic Yautja are rare, but those that exist are unbelievably powerful, so much that they'll not hunt with normal Yautja. A telepathic Yautja, DNA-modified by the Dominators into a meta-Yautja, fought alongside other "meta-Yautja". They hunted only the metahumans of the JLA.
Physiology
The Yautja are larger and taller than adult humans, standing at least seven feet (2-2.5 meters) tall but often much taller. Females, seen only by Witchblade and Darkness (AvP vs Witchblade/Darkness), are even larger (and stronger). The female Yautja are known to occasionally throw their mates during moments of passion.
An average Yautja weighs between 250-350 lb., most of this is pure muscle. The Yautja have very little body fat due to their predatory lifestyle and diet.
Children are smaller versions of the adult, and a male will typically father seventy or more "suckers" in his lifetime.
Like humans, they have two arms, two legs, and two eyes. Eye color is usually green or yellow.
They have long black claws, 4 clawed toes, thick skulls, broad shoulders, and large biceps. Their back is mostly bone.
Their mouths have four mandibles around them, much like a set of lips. Vertical slits of its mouth open wide to reveal inner teeth. These mandibles are used for communicating much like a cat uses it's tail to communicate it's mood.
They give off a musk other Yautja, and canines, can detect - but humans cannot. When canines sense them, they usually constantly whine, heads down, or else store out and make unhappy noises in their throats. Yautja's scent for aggression is an oily, bitter smell.
As far as environment, it appears that the Yautja prefer hot, humid conditions with an atmosphere rich in nitrogen.
"Not only could they press up against metal heated to 120 degrees Celsius without being burned ... they seemed to relish the heat." (From Predator: Cold War TPB)
Yautja have reptilian skin of mottled red, green and yellow patterns.
Their blood is a dark phosphor green, possibly due to different oxygen carriers in their hemoglobins. While humans use iorn to perform the actual task of binding the oxygen molecule, the Yautja may be using copper or something similar to it.
Their blood neutralizes Hard Meat's blood's caustic effects (to a degree). It is also carbon-based (Batman vs Predator), which supports Dr Bergstrom's theory that they originated from Earth (Predator: Homeworld).
Yautja have long hair that is braided into dreadlocks in an extremely painful ritual taking months to perform.
Perhaps one of the most pronounced differences is longevity. Subotai, a former Japanese samurai, has been fighting Yautja for over a thousand years. (He has lived that long because he has eaten Yautja flesh.) Subotai has had the same Yautja opponent for all those centuries.
Also, Li Yat Sen (aka Gideon Lee) had stayed young since 1320 by eating Yautja flesh.)"
I didn't say all the predators would be higher ups, but all of the ones that have gone through the trials would be blooded or higher, they would be the ones fighting the war (Well, I wouldn't send the completely inexperienced ones myself anyways) What I asked was, how can you say that more than half the force of predators would be Unblooded?) More like Dizzle said, 35 to 40% wold be unblooded and going through their trials in the war.
Everything you've stated about intelligence increasing the higher in rank you go is mirrored in Predators...
predators use starships as well, so I guess their not as stupid as you may think. add that to their battlefield ingenuity and tactics, and thats some militaristic mind.
that was some good reading C-master. I believe they are kick ass! I like predators and I don't think there stupid at all! The Arnie- Danny comment was a bit of fun really! (I'm a light hearted sort of guy and can't keep spewing out facts all day! 😉)
For all there advantages they still not that superior to Elites! I Don't see any areas where they could woop elites that badly to win a war!
As I said before A one on one between an Elite and a pred, I would favour the pred to out hunt the elite. But a war is alot different! The predators just wouldn't be able to avoid all the plasma fire, and one hit would almost spell certain doom for them...
Ditto for the elites, the plasma fire from the plasmacaster looks to me to do far more damage than the Plasma Rifle or carbine... Now I'll admit that I overstated that the plasmacaster could do as much damage as a Wraith Blast, but seriously, it at least equals a Plasma grenade, and thats proven to kill elites in a single hit.
yer It could be that powerful, to kill a blue elite, But anything higher won't die from a plasma grenade as the shields are better. I just think that the elites would kill too many predators with 1/2 hits while predators would kill elites with more hits... elites rate of fire is faster then predators as well...
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
that was some good reading C-master. I believe they are kick ass! I like predators and I don't think there stupid at all! The Arnie- Danny comment was a bit of fun really! (I'm a light hearted sort of guy and can't keep spewing out facts all day! 😉)For all there advantages they still not that superior to Elites! I Don't see any areas where they could woop elites that badly to win a war!
As I said before A one on one between an Elite and a pred, I would favour the pred to out hunt the elite. But a war is alot different! The predators just wouldn't be able to avoid all the plasma fire, and one hit would almost spell certain doom for them...
Give me some solid info on the elites, friend...
I tried to talk about elites, But everytime I do people comment on the fact there part of the covenant. Theres not the amount of information about them before they came into the covenant, like there is for predator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_%28Halo%29
Because names are important to the Elite society, each element of the name has a meaning. Elite names are contructed from a series of parts. An example is Ado 'Mortumee. "Ado" is his given name, which is all he had until he was considered an adult. As an adult he earned the right to carry the badge name "'Mortumee". This name is made up of three parts: MOR (an adjectival descriptor, such as "fast", or "deadly"😉, TUM ( a créche name, basically his family name), and EE (an honorific indicating he is a participant in the military). Most Elites will have names with this kind of construction.
The Covenant military promotion is by merit. A Covenant soldier must succeed to advance. Success is often measured in scalps. A Covenant of "Admiral" or equivalent rank, may have personally slaughtered thousands of individuals.
Elites have several classes or ranks:
The Blue armored Elites are Elite minors, and generally serve as foot-soldiers. However they have been seen commanding several of the lesser Covenant races.
The Red armored Elites are Elite majors, or veterans who command other Elites and larger squads.
The Gold armored Elites are Zealots and "Ship Masters", and normally captain starships or lead whole regiments of troops in large engagements.
The Black and White armored Elites are Spec-Ops and usually command Spec-Op Grunts.
Gray and Light Blue armored Elites are Infiltrators and are rarely ever seen without their active camouflage generators engaged.
Elite Rangers are trained to use anti-gravity thruster packs in combat, are are equally dangerous in low or no-gravity enviroments as well as in "normal" gravity environments.
Elite Councilors are rarely seen in combat since their role within the Covenant seems to be strictly political. This does not mean, however, that they are unskilled combatants.
Honor Guards are Elites with especially ornamented armor, and are the best of the best. Instead of fighting out in the field with the Covenant troops on the front lines, they guard the Prophets from harm personally.
Elites have an interesting physical appearance. Their jaw is quadruple-hinged; they have an upper jaw, and then four mandible-like lips which are lined with sharp teeth. Their legs are double jointed so they can jump great distances compared to humans, and their unusually shaped hoof-like feet give them tremendous balance. Their hands have four fingers; two middle fingers and two thumb-like fingers on the outside of the hand for grasping. They have grayish-brown skin and purple-blue blood and it is not known what chemical makes the blood this color, though it is assumed they breathe oxygen because they can breath the same atmosphere as humans.
It should be noted that the higher-ranking Elites have strange glyphs on the backs of their armor. Upon closer examination, these glyphs were found to be directly related to the same strange symbols that have appeared in ancient Forerunner structures found throughout known UNSC controlled space. This leaves considerable evidence that the Covenant worship, or at least revere, the Forerunners.