Originally posted by Tulak HordWTF ok you have crossed the line with that one.
Mace Windu is a pansey. He deserved to die. I hate him for killing Jango.
I'd say that Mace is pretty much on par withn Palpatine. The latter is maybe a little more skilled in using the force to create various effects and Windu is the better swordsman.
Using the "Sidious knew that Anakin would come" argument to underline the superiority of Palpatines power can easily be turned into "He had no chance against Windu in a straight fight, BUT since he planned everything to the perfect, it was not that much a risk and even a chance to wait for him and be beaten BECAUSE he knew Anakin would come". From that point of view Mace had the upper hand in the fight, but it also gives Palpatine even more credit for being a masterpowerplayer and schemer, turning a foreseeable defeat into an overwelming triumph.
In the end i guess everyone will interpret this particular confrontation just according to ones characterpreferences.
*sigh* watch the fight with Yoda.
honestly, it was SO obvious that he had been holding back against Mace.
His abilities were twice as good, he was twice as fast and twice as strong while fighting Yoda.
He lost on purpose, he had it all planned.
either you admit 2 things:
1) Palps was holding back against Windu, givin his preformance against Yoda.
or.
2) you somehow think yoda is less powerful then Windu.
the only way for "mace is better then palps" people to make logical sense is if they admit Mace was stronger then Yoda, and common, how dumb is that.
oh and btw, its WINDU, not wendu...
He was not twice as fast or good. The lightsaberfight with Yoda was by no means better or more impressiv than those shown before by other Jedi. It was his mastery of forceeffects that made this confrontation spectacular and the environment, that gave him the opportunity to use them in an effectiv way during this fight. The combat with Mace Windu was one with Lightsabers in a completely different environment (no "sitting-discs" to throw etc.). We all know, that being "the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever" is no guarantee to win a fight ( Anakin-Dooku, Anakin-Kenobi, Vader-Luke, Imperator-beatenVader...). Different Jedi/Sith excell in different aspects of the force and though Sidious may be the the better telekinetic, which we can't know for sure, Mace is the better fighter.
It's hard to tell whether the Jedi-Healer or the Jedi-Scholar or the the Jedi-Fighter is the more powerful, it all depends on the circumstaces...if you know what i want to say.
The only way of knowing for sure, is George Lucas giving us the midichlorian-levels of Palpatine and Windu.
Originally posted by wannabe
He was not twice as fast or good. The lightsaberfight with Yoda was by no means better or more impressiv than those shown before by other Jedi. It was his mastery of forceeffects that made this confrontation spectacular and the environment, that gave him the opportunity to use them in an effectiv way during this fight. The combat with Mace Windu was one with Lightsabers in a completely different environment (no "sitting-discs" to throw etc.). We all know, that being "the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever" is no guarantee to win a fight ( Anakin-Dooku, Anakin-Kenobi, Vader-Luke, Imperator-beatenVader...). Different Jedi/Sith excell in different aspects of the force and though Sidious may be the the better telekinetic, which we can't know for sure, Mace is the better fighter.
It's hard to tell whether the Jedi-Healer or the Jedi-Scholar or the the Jedi-Fighter is the more powerful, it all depends on the circumstaces...if you know what i want to say.
The only way of knowing for sure, is George Lucas giving us the midichlorian-levels of Palpatine and Windu.
umm no, im pretty sure in the battle with yoda (if you can see) you can tell that palpatines sword abilities are far better then they were while fighting mace. way faster, way more precise.
and no the midi's dont matter, they only account to potential power, not actual power.
lucas would have to blatently tell us that palpatine is better, before the windu lovers would give in.
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
umm no, im pretty sure in the battle with yoda (if you can see) you can tell that palpatines sword abilities are far better then they were while fighting mace. way faster, way more precise.and no the midi's dont matter, they only account to potential power, not actual power.
lucas would have to blatently tell us that palpatine is better, before the windu lovers would give in.
Well, while i'm writing this i'm watching the scene over and over again (thanks to the not exactly legal skills of a friend) and the lightsaberfight isn't getting better the more often i see it...no! Somehow GL manages to never exactly show palpatine doing anything impressive or outstanding...or even usual, now that i have it before my eyes!? Yoda is doing all the work. Ahhh...now the TK-thing starts, well, that is impressive BUT not the issue in your posting.
I agree on the midi thing. But it only proves, that it is ridiculous to use "said to be exact power-levels" to predict or to rationalize the outcome of a fight...that only works on paper, not in a movie or in real life.
I can't stand Mace Windu. He is far too arrogant and stiffy for my taste, but i don't like interpretations that claim to be the only ones that count, especially in cases like epic FANTASY dramas, that give waaay too much room for just one interpretation... like this one (you read my post).