Originally posted by leonidas
neither HE nor ik have anywhere NEAR ss's speed or feats. he could simply shut off the x-gene in apoc and the battle is ended.
Speed feats? which ones?
I don't think turning off his x-gene will be as easy as you think it is, seeing as he's got complete control over his own molecules etc. It's also very possible that all it does is remove the powers Apocalypse originally had, super strength and durability.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Speed feats? which ones?I don't think turning off his x-gene will be as easy as you think it is, seeing as he's got complete control over his own molecules etc. It's also very possible that all it does is remove the powers Apocalypse originally had, super strength and durability.
ss has nanosecond reaction times and the ability to dodge multiple energy attacks. if he doesn't want to be hit, he won't be hit. as for the x-gene--i'd take ss's control over nur's any day. though you could be right about what he'd lose. still, a planet destroying attack would end things just as easily.
Originally posted by leonidas
ss has nanosecond reaction times and the ability to dodge multiple energy attacks. if he doesn't want to be hit, he won't be hit. as for the x-gene--i'd take ss's control over nur's any day. though you could be right about what he'd lose. still, a planet destroying attack would end things just as easily.
Thor can dodge multiple energy attacks, so can like Wolverine or Spider-man or Quicksilver.
Apocalypse can absorb energy, teleport and whatnot. His durability is so great that it allows him to take energy blasts from Ikaris or the high evolutionary.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Thor can dodge multiple energy attacks, so can like Wolverine or Spider-man or Quicksilver.Apocalypse can absorb energy, teleport and whatnot. His durability is so great that it allows him to take energy blasts from Ikaris or the high evolutionary.
i'd love proof that apoc could absorb or survive a planet-busting assault. HE isn't all that impressive. ik shot eye beams which went THROUGH apoc. no chance that he ever hits ss. there's also no logical reason ss couldn't simply manipulate the air into something nearly as hard as adamantium and just trap him. or maybe open a singularity and have it crush him. ss's powers are far too numerous and too great for apoc to handle. i know we're squabbling over the TYPE of beating (you said he loses 10/10) but if ss uses all his powers properly, he demolishes apoc easily.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Lay those feats on me, son.Speed's never be but at least en a problem for Apocalypse. Wonder what speed feats'll let Surfer have such an easy time.
Surfer has confirmed on panel nanosecond reaction times,has speedblitzed multiple opponents,etc If u really need me to provide scans then no problem but first please gove instances of what u mean by "speed has never been a problem for apoc".
Ok kris. now on to speed feats
I dont feel like digging thru surfer scans right now so i got a scan that shud pretty much end it. HEre is surfer performing a very high level speedblitz, clearly beyond apocalypse speedwise by quite some margin.
Edit- Ill just post the deathrge scan since ive located it.
Surfer FTL combat speed against deathurge
Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer has confirmed on panel nanosecond reaction times,has speedblitzed multiple opponents,etc If u really need me to provide scans then no problem but first please gove instances of what u mean by "speed has never been a problem for apoc".
If you really know that much about Apocalypse, you'd know how "speed hasn't been an issue" for him, wouldn't you? He's apparently fast enough to open a hole in his chest just as Ikaris' beam passes through, he can tag Quicksilver easily. Anyone with proper super-speed can tag Quicksilver easily, it's not an incredible zomfg feat, but it establishes a minimum.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd love proof that apoc could absorb or survive a planet-busting assault. HE isn't all that impressive. ik shot eye beams which went THROUGH apoc. no chance that he ever hits ss. there's also no logical reason ss couldn't simply manipulate the air into something nearly as hard as adamantium and just trap him. or maybe open a singularity and have it crush him. ss's powers are far too numerous and too great for apoc to handle. i know we're squabbling over the TYPE of beating (you said he loses 10/10) but if ss uses all his powers properly, he demolishes apoc easily.
Well, Apocalypse is a herald level and can take attacks from other herald level characters. So we naturally assume that he can operate on said level. I've never seen Firelord take any planet-destroying attacks, but I highly doubt that he would be killed by one.
Now, as far as suddenly turning everything into adamantium. How would this be a problem for someone who can teleport? Is Norrin going to shut him inside a super dome of adamantium? I've never seen Norrin transform air into something as complex or strong as adamantium either.
Singularity could work, but once again, he can teleport.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok kris. now on to speed featsI dont feel like digging thru surfer scans right now so i got a scan that shud pretty much end it. HEre is surfer performing a very high level speedblitz, clearly beyond apocalypse speedwise by quite some margin. ANother instance of note is him evading at FTL speeds mid battle against Deathurge. (I will probly put up that scan later)
It's just not that impressive. It's a speed feat I guess, but he's fighting against his exact duplicate. There's no telling how fast the battle is taking place, only that several blasts are being fired and/or dodged. It's like the time Balder took out a hundred trolls in a couple of seconds. Fast, but nothing that would blitz Apocalypse.
okay, so there is a chance apoc could run and teleport until ss finally hits him with some huge blast he can't warp around. as far as energy absorption--nur has NOTHING on ss who can absorb ludicrous amounts of energy of nearly ANY type. apoc cannot possibly harm ss in anyway at all, if he was ever able to hit him, which seems unlikely. ss could simply transmute his tech/armor into bubbles, like he did to the ELDER OF THE UNIVERSE obliterator, or turn his body to stone, or steel . . . even if he can't transmute his body for whatever reason, transmuting his tech would be simple enough.
again, there is absolutely nothing in apoc's arsenal that can harm ss. not even psionically. it MIGHT take ss a bit of time to catch him, but this battle would never be in doubt for a moment.
I'm just playing around. There aren't enough feats to suggest that Apocalypse can take any victories from the Surfer.
It is however, absolutely ludicrous that Surfer could do things such as morph Apocalypse's body or technology. When Norrin takes down Apocalypse, it'll be because he has so much more power. I mean, he's the Silver Surfer. He can probably detonate an entire galaxy.
