Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If you really know that much about Apocalypse, you'd know how "speed hasn't been an issue" for him, wouldn't you? He's apparently fast enough to open a hole in his chest just as Ikaris' beam passes through, he can tag Quicksilver easily. Anyone with proper super-speed can tag Quicksilver easily, it's not an incredible zomfg feat, but it establishes a minimum.
It's just not that impressive. It's a speed feat I guess, but he's fighting against his exact duplicate. There's no telling how fast the battle is taking place, only that several blasts are being fired and/or dodged. It's like the time Balder took out a hundred trolls in a couple of seconds. Fast, but nothing that would blitz Apocalypse
not that impressive? How does him fighting his duplicate take away from the feat? Further most flashesque speed blitzes have no given time frame and hence no way of deteermining how fast they are actually going. However the artistique depiction clear displays high level superspeed being used in multiple directions within a battle scenario. You have shown no apocalypse feat to show he can defend against such. How the balder example is relevant here i have no idea. However IF balder did indeed take out 100 trolls (individually) in a couple of seconds then it IS an example of combat speed which far exceeds anything uve shown from apocalypse(nothing really)
Further i provided an example of SS actually hitting lightspeed during battle as well.
EDIT- Just saw Kris post about not being serious on previous page
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
If you really know that much about Apocalypse, you'd know how "speed hasn't been an issue" for him, wouldn't you? He's apparently fast enough to open a hole in his chest just as Ikaris' beam passes through, he can tag Quicksilver easily. Anyone with proper super-speed can tag Quicksilver easily, it's not an incredible zomfg feat, but it establishes a minimum.Well, Apocalypse is a herald level and can take attacks from other herald level characters. So we naturally assume that he can operate on said level. I've never seen Firelord take any planet-destroying attacks, but I highly doubt that he would be killed by one.
Now, as far as suddenly turning everything into adamantium. How would this be a problem for someone who can teleport? Is Norrin going to shut him inside a super dome of adamantium? I've never seen Norrin transform air into something as complex or strong as adamantium either.
Singularity could work, but once again, he can teleport.
It's just not that impressive. It's a speed feat I guess, but he's fighting against his exact duplicate. There's no telling how fast the battle is taking place, only that several blasts are being fired and/or dodged. It's like the time Balder took out a hundred trolls in a couple of seconds. Fast, but nothing that would blitz Apocalypse.
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8030/silversurfer198700208sz2.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7331/silversurfer198700209qi1.jpg
I'm not saying that either of those feats qualifies as concrete proof of Surfer's ability to pull adamantium out of nowhere, but they do show that Surfer can create some pretty complex things from nothing with a fair amount of ease.
Originally posted by leonidas
take ss a bit of time to catch him, but this battle would never be in doubt for a moment.
Shouldnt really take that long even then considering SS can attune his vision to view any residual energy left by Apocs teleportation and is fast enough to calculate his next point of arrival and strike accordingly.
i.e
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I'm just playing around. There aren't enough feats to suggest that Apocalypse can take any victories from the Surfer.It is however, absolutely ludicrous that Surfer could do things such as morph Apocalypse's body or technology. When Norrin takes down Apocalypse, it'll be because he has so much more power. I mean, he's the Silver Surfer. He can probably detonate an entire galaxy.
i figured you were, but transuting his tech isn't far fetched at all, imo. it's just tech. even though it was based on celestial tech, that doesn't mean it anymore resistant to transmutation than anything else--especially by someone using powers from galactus who is arguably greater than a celestial. turning his body into stone also seems quite viable to me, especially if ss did away with his armor first. there is at least no logical reason he couldn't do either of those things. that's why i so hate debating against ss. logically, there is very little he can't do.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Shouldnt really take that long even then considering SS can attune his vision to view any residual energy left by Apocs teleportation and is fast enough to calculate his next point of arrival and strike accordingly.i.e
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
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Originally posted by kgkg
I'm just wondering since when did Leo become pro Surfer? 😉
i've ALWAYS liked ss. 😄
he's just always a challenge to debate against so naturally, i usually do. though to be fair, there are VERY few characters (non-cosmics) who i'd ever say could beat ss in a straight-up battle.
When I think about it Leonidas, Surfer could possibly create adamantium. But like I said, it would be pointless.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Shouldnt really take that long even then considering SS can attune his vision to view any residual energy left by Apocs teleportation and is fast enough to calculate his next point of arrival and strike accordingly.i.e
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
I fail to see how that's any proof that he would be able to predict where Apocalypse teleports? We don't know how his teleportation works, nor does it make any sense that residue left behind when he teleports would reveal where he's going to teleport.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Admittance. The first step towards healing.
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i'm curious though--is his ability to teleport tech based or a natural power? if ss transmutes his tech . . .
even if it's natural, it seems ss could if he chose to, simply turn it off via genetic manipulation. meh. ss's a pain in the arse. 🙂
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI fail to see how that's any proof that he would be able to predict where Apocalypse teleports? We don't know how his teleportation works, nor does it make any sense that residue left behind when he teleports would reveal where he's going to teleport.
It has less to do with the residue than it does SS. He has shown the ability to determine the destination of teleportation through the energy residue left behind on more than one occasion i.e He also used the energy residue left behind to determine that BRB had teleported to Asgard in Cosmic powers unlimited. There is yet another iinstance he did it which i cant seem to recall.
Further thats not his ony way of knowing where apoc will teleport(though this running around via teleportation thing is quite ridiculous tbh). His cosmic senses will easily alert him as they do here.
Note how he instantly is alerted to the materialization of even subatomic particles.
Further even without the abiity to determine where apoc materializes, with his sheer speed he will be able to connect with apoc before he teleports again.(with SS speed hed be able to tag even nightcrawler. and apoc is no nightcrawler )
