Silver Surfer vs. Apocalypse

Originally posted by Naija boy
It has less to do with the residue than it does SS. He has shown the ability to determine the destination of teleportation through the energy residue left behind on more than one occasion i.e He also used the energy residue left behind to determine that BRB had teleported to Asgard in Cosmic powers unlimited. There is yet another iinstance he did it which i cant seem to recall.

Further thats not his ony way of knowing where apoc will teleport(though this running around via teleportation thing is quite ridiculous tbh). His cosmic senses will easily alert him as they do here.
Note how he instantly is alerted to the materialization of even subatomic particles.

Further even without the abiity to determine where apoc materializes, with his sheer speed he will be able to connect with apoc before he teleports again.(with SS speed hed be able to tag even nightcrawler. and apoc is no nightcrawler )

Cosmic sense is logical, but don't bother putting words in my mouth. I was not claiming that Apocalypse would teleport around, but rather that trapping Apocalypse would be impossible. There's also intangibility, so the idea that Surfer could trap Apoc in some sort of dome is ridiculous.

The claim that tagging nightcrawler is impressive, is not. Everybody and their mother are capable of tagging nightcrawler, rogue, Wolverine, the Neo, that clown from when they first met X-23 and many, many more.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Cosmic sense is logical, but don't bother putting words in my mouth. I was not claiming that Apocalypse would teleport around, but rather that trapping Apocalypse would be impossible. There's also intangibility, so the idea that Surfer could trap Apoc in some sort of dome is ridiculous.

The claim that tagging nightcrawler is impressive, is not. Everybody and their mother are capable of tagging nightcrawler, rogue, Wolverine, the Neo, that clown from when they first met X-23 and many, many more.

I wasnt putting anywords into ur mouth. leo made the statement "it would take a little bit of time to catch him" if he teleported around. Thats why i posted the scan of SS determining the destination of a being teleporting. U then qoted that post and in my reply i mentioned on the side that the strategy of Apoc teleporting around in the first place was quite a ridiculous one for him to employ.

Also in regards to the nightcrawler thing i meant being able to hit him if he was teleporting non stop. I was relating it to apocs method of teleportation which was not as quick in application as NCs and hence that if apoc chose to use that strategy that SS would certainly be able to hit him.

Someone who is beating such powerful being in Stryfe without a problem, he didn't even flinch and without going all out (although he was fully powered), isn't easy to defeat.

SS has a big speed advantage, so he wins.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Someone who is beating such powerful being in Stryfe without a problem, he didn't even flinch and without going all out (although he was fully powered), isn't easy to defeat.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Someone who is beating such powerful being in Stryfe without a problem, he didn't even flinch and without going all out (although he was fully powered), isn't easy to defeat.

SS has a big speed advantage, so he wins.

I was wondering about that. Stryfe, Cable and Nate are supposed to be capable of destroying planets at full power. Does the feat count for Apocalypse though? It was in the future after all.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I was wondering about that. Stryfe, Cable and Nate are supposed to be capable of destroying planets at full power. Does the feat count for Apocalypse though? It was in the future after all.

I mean, 616 Warren was completely his... maybe he just went to the future?

Originally posted by Charmander
It's the same Apoc though, isn't it?

I mean, 616 Warren was completely his... maybe he just went to the future?

yeah, he was "restored" after all and not powered up.

Originally posted by Charmander
What if he's fighting Surfer?

Well, speed is the problem. If SS wouldn't use it, I have no doubt Apocalypse would go toe to toe and give him a very tough fight and SS wouldn't bring Apocalypse down easily.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I was wondering about that. Stryfe, Cable and Nate are supposed to be capable of destroying planets at full power. Does the feat count for Apocalypse though? It was in the future after all.

Yes, since it's 616 and writers even said they will bring him back to his classic levels when he was a beast. And it was about time.
So, having an upper had against HE and laughing his blasts (who issue later I think, easily defeated Thor), fighting Loki and having an upper hand (Loki in the time manipulated all big villains, except Apocalypse), taking down PE Ikaris easily, BB with Inhumans+X-Factor were useless against him, Apocalypse taking out Stryfe easily, that was no coincidence. Powerful Living Monolith was afraid of him as was Moses Magnum and so was Stryfe.
It's just when they write Apocalypse as they should, at his classic levels. He is a f*ucking beast.

Bishop also said recently said when X-Men defeated Apocalypse in the past, it was only temporary and they defeated him because of stopping his plans and Apocalypse flew. We saw what happens when Apocalypse is angry and just comes with plans to fight, with vengeance. Stryfe got afraid and Cable knew that him and X-Factor don't stand a chance and would die, but then Death saved them.

Hopefully we can see more of Pooky in the near Future. Messiah arc is suppose to be a Trilogy. So one more arc to go.coot

Any in regards to Stryfe, his power seems to be diluted compared to Cable or X-Man. Consequences of being a clone.
On top of lacking X-Man/Cable massive feats (no real excuses, he has had plenty of screen time).

Why do you think, the X-Men where so surprised of X-Man power? How do you explain living for so long with some form of inhibitor, to keep his body together? Why did Stryfe admit inferiority to Cable, if Cable was ever to reach full power? Why did Cable K.O. Stryfe in their first encounter, with Cable manifested his powers?

Originally posted by id369
Why do you think, the X-Men where so surprised of X-Man power? How do you explain living for so long with some form of inhibitor, to keep his body together? Why did Stryfe admit inferiority to Cable, if Cable was ever to reach full power? Why did Cable K.O. Stryfe in their first encounter, with Cable manifested his powers?

Well, why to be surprised by Stryfe powers, when they already had the example before, so they got used to it.
I don't know why Stryfe admitted inferiority. Is Stryfe maybe really inferior?
Cable KO him because of getting the first shot. 🙂 (anyway, even if equally powerful, someone can win the fight and get the KO. God-like Cable Vs. Nate Grey, that doens't mean it would be draw, even if they are equal in power. Someone can KO the other and get the win).

Stryfe also said he is the most powerful mutant; past, present or future. Maybe he said that because he knew why Cable was created and he knows he is the same in powers to him. But of course, nor Stryfe nor Cable can take that title.

Anyway, Stryfe is massively powerful and was joke to Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Someone who is beating such powerful being in Stryfe without a problem, he didn't even flinch and without going all out (although he was fully powered), isn't easy to defeat.

IF he is fighting against SS then he is easy to defeat.