Originally posted by Council#13
Hey, no need to get snappy. Obviously, I'm merely stating that God is omni-potent. If you're too stubborn to see that I'm merely stating my opinion, then there's no hope for YOU
But how can he be omni-potent`You jsut stated that he can't create said rock...if he can't he is not omnipotent.
Re: Why I'm better than god....
Originally posted by Evil Deadas do most all humans. In the catholic religion we were supposed to be made in the image of god. Therefore every human is equal to (or better than) god.
1. I do exist. There is no debate about the subject. It can be proven over and over again. For an airplane ticket and a small fee, I can prove it to you face to face.2. I have created life. There can be no debate on the subject. A simple DNA test can prove so.
3. I don't tell people how to live. I do what I think is right without trying to force my morality onto others via threats of damnation and the like.
4. I don't pretend to be all powerful. I have my limits and accept them.
5. I admit to doing everything I do, good or bad. I don't pretend to be the cause of all that is good yet pass off blame onto others if something I do is interpreted as being bad to others.
6. I give people a choice. I don't demand they worship me, although they are certainly welcome to if they wish. I will never tell others, "thou shalt have no other Evil Dead's before me"...as a matter of fact, I don't Command anything from them.
discuss.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay one more time, just answer the question, it is a yes or no question, very easy:
Can God create a rock that is so heavy that he can NEVER EVER (Never, not by waiting, not by later powering up) lift it?
Easy question to ask; harder to answer. Ultimately it targets omnipotence.
Omnipotence, as was aptly put, is a logical contradiction. On the other hand, Omnipotence, theologically, is a paradox. Depends what you already believe.
If you don't believe in God, likely you will see Omnipotence as proof God can't exist because it contradicts itself. Thus, God Can Not create a rock too heavy for Him to lift cuz, well, there ain't any God.
If you believe God exists, then you may see Omnipotence as proof of God being beyond human reasoning. Paradox results cuz reason is linear; it operates only in yes/no fashion, and God is "bigger" than mere yes/no. Thus, one could say God Can make a rock too heavy for Him to lift cuz He's God. Our not understanding that doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
Personally, I don't think Omnipotence should be used either way, to either prove and disprove the existence of God.
Re: Why I'm better than god....
Originally posted by Evil Dead
1. I do exist. There is no debate about the subject. It can be proven over and over again. For an airplane ticket and a small fee, I can prove it to you face to face.2. I have created life. There can be no debate on the subject. A simple DNA test can prove so.
3. I don't tell people how to live. I do what I think is right without trying to force my morality onto others via threats of damnation and the like.
4. I don't pretend to be all powerful. I have my limits and accept them.
5. I admit to doing everything I do, good or bad. I don't pretend to be the cause of all that is good yet pass off blame onto others if something I do is interpreted as being bad to others.
6. I give people a choice. I don't demand they worship me, although they are certainly welcome to if they wish. I will never tell others, "thou shalt have no other Evil Dead's before me"...as a matter of fact, I don't Command anything from them.
discuss.
OK, I'm gonna assume God exists for a minute.
1- I'm sure there's no doubt in God's mind whether He exists or not either.
2- Procreation pales in comparison with real creation. I'll be impressed when I see you make a mountain range, an ocean, and self replicating life from scratch.
3- God wouldn't be a very nice guy if he didn't tell us to stop before we went over a cliff or something. He tells us to do stuff to make our lives better. "Wo unto the liars for they shall go to hell" could be compared to "Wo unto the people who keep driving down that there road for they shall fall over the cliff"
4- God doesn't need to pretend.
5- Are you calling God a liar?
6- Hmm... It would actually be God that makes choice possible. If he didn't provide the conditions (intelligence, options, agency, whatever) What would anyone choose between?
Now, assuming God doesn't exist (I'm arguing from a POV I don't share here, so have some patience)
-Even a fictional God gives hope to millions, maybe billions. How many have hope because of you?
-There are a whole lot of fictional characters I'd rather meet than you.
-Fiction Inspires. Just look at the works of fiction that we know to be that. Fact - it can change lives.
So either way you look at it, God wins! 😎 💃
Re: Re: Why I'm better than god....
Originally posted by docb77
OK, I'm gonna assume God exists for a minute.1- I'm sure there's no doubt in God's mind whether He exists or not either.
2- Procreation pales in comparison with real creation. I'll be impressed when I see you make a mountain range, an ocean, and self replicating life from scratch.
3- God wouldn't be a very nice guy if he didn't tell us to stop before we went over a cliff or something. He tells us to do stuff to make our lives better. "Wo unto the liars for they shall go to hell" could be compared to "Wo unto the people who keep driving down that there road for they shall fall over the cliff"
4- God doesn't need to pretend.
5- Are you calling God a liar?
6- Hmm... It would actually be God that makes choice possible. If he didn't provide the conditions (intelligence, options, agency, whatever) What would anyone choose between?
Now, assuming God doesn't exist (I'm arguing from a POV I don't share here, so have some patience)
-Even a fictional God gives hope to millions, maybe billions. How many have hope because of you?
-There are a whole lot of fictional characters I'd rather meet than you.
-Fiction Inspires. Just look at the works of fiction that we know to be that. Fact - it can change lives.
So either way you look at it, God wins! 😎 💃
Lol...Very well said.