Why I'm better than god....

Originally posted by docb77
OK, I'm gonna assume God exists for a minute.

1- I'm sure there's no doubt in God's mind whether He exists or not either.

2- Procreation pales in comparison with real creation. I'll be impressed when I see you make a mountain range, an ocean, and self replicating life from scratch.

3- God wouldn't be a very nice guy if he didn't tell us to stop before we went over a cliff or something. He tells us to do stuff to make our lives better. "Wo unto the liars for they shall go to hell" could be compared to "Wo unto the people who keep driving down that there road for they shall fall over the cliff"

4- God doesn't need to pretend.

5- Are you calling God a liar?

6- Hmm... It would actually be God that makes choice possible. If he didn't provide the conditions (intelligence, options, agency, whatever) What would anyone choose between?

Now, assuming God doesn't exist (I'm arguing from a POV I don't share here, so have some patience)

-Even a fictional God gives hope to millions, maybe billions. How many have hope because of you?

-There are a whole lot of fictional characters I'd rather meet than you.

-Fiction Inspires. Just look at the works of fiction that we know to be that. Fact - it can change lives.

So either way you look at it, God wins! 😎 💃

😱 DAYUM!

Evil Dead just got served!

Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay one more time, just answer the question, it is a yes or no question, very easy:

Can God create a rock that is so heavy that he can NEVER EVER (Never, not by waiting, not by later powering up) lift it?

sure, why not? are we saying he TRIES to lift it?

Originally posted by Evil Dead
1. I do exist. There is no debate about the subject. It can be proven over and over again. For an airplane ticket and a small fee, I can prove it to you face to face.

2. I have created life. There can be no debate on the subject. A simple DNA test can prove so.

3. I don't tell people how to live. I do what I think is right without trying to force my morality onto others via threats of damnation and the like.

4. I don't pretend to be all powerful. I have my limits and accept them.

5. I admit to doing everything I do, good or bad. I don't pretend to be the cause of all that is good yet pass off blame onto others if something I do is interpreted as being bad to others.

6. I give people a choice. I don't demand they worship me, although they are certainly welcome to if they wish. I will never tell others, "thou shalt have no other Evil Dead's before me"...as a matter of fact, I don't Command anything from them.

discuss.

Ok, to explain my POV in short words, you should have called the title "Why I think I'm better than God".

Originally posted by Mindship
Easy question to ask; harder to answer. Ultimately it targets omnipotence.
Omnipotence, as was aptly put, is a logical contradiction. On the other hand, Omnipotence, theologically, is a paradox. Depends what you already believe.

If you don't believe in God, likely you will see Omnipotence as proof God can't exist because it contradicts itself. Thus, God Can Not create a rock too heavy for Him to lift cuz, well, there ain't any God.

If you believe God exists, then you may see Omnipotence as proof of God being beyond human reasoning. Paradox results cuz reason is linear; it operates only in yes/no fashion, and God is "bigger" than mere yes/no. Thus, one could say God Can make a rock too heavy for Him to lift cuz He's God. Our not understanding that doesn't mean He doesn't exist.

Personally, I don't think Omnipotence should be used either way, to either prove and disprove the existence of God.

Oh, I don't take omipotence as proof that god doesn'T exist...I'm agnostic....but I a pretty damn sure that he is not omnipotent...well, he can be very, very, very powerful....powerful enough to create all this, but omnipotence is impossible.

Originally posted by Council#13
sure, why not? are we saying he TRIES to lift it?

No, he doesn't even need to try to lift it, he can't be all-powerful if a God can exist that he can not lift.

Originally posted by DiamondBullets
😱 DAYUM!

Evil Dead just got served!

Oh, I don't think that is what ED meant...like Superman can kick his as every day, and I am sure ED knows that ...BUT Superman is fictional.....his existence is jsut as probable as God's.....

Hmmm paradoxes............People have the wrong view of what I would call god. The creative force only creates what we want it to. It works with us. It's like a magnet drawn to us. It is wise to watch your thoughts because that is what empowers and attracts things to happen one way or the other.

Originally posted by Council#13
sure, why not? are we saying he TRIES to lift it?

Slick, playing with semantics.

Yes, he tries to lift it, but can't.

Hmmmmm.... so we're saying that God creates a boulder that he cannot lift at that moment or any other time, and if he tries to lift it ever, trying very hard to, he cannot?

Originally posted by Council#13
Hmmmmm.... so we're saying that God creates a boulder that he cannot lift at that moment or any other time, and if he tries to lift it ever, trying very hard to, he cannot?

Exactly. Now, if he is all powerful, he can create a boulder that he cannot lift. yet, if he was all powerful, he's be able to lift the boulder. But if he did lift the boulder, then he didn't create a boulder that he cannot lift, therefore making him not all powerful. also, if he doesnt lift the boulder, he isnt all powerful, because something exists that he cannot do

A paradox is like a road sign. It says, "Here lie the boundaries of Reason." You wanna go further, you're gonna need something more. So unless you believe in that "something more," procede no further. Have a nice picnic instead.

Originally posted by Mindship
A paradox is like a road sign.

Paradox's are kinda like this.

Since y'all seem to want to discuss the omnipotence idea, here's a nice summary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent

Some of the explanations of omnipotence seem to reduce or even eliminate the inherent paradoxes. (of course a few of them seem to make it worse)

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmmm paradoxes............People have the wrong view of what I would call god. The creative force only creates what we want it to. It works with us. It's like a magnet drawn to us. It is wise to watch your thoughts because that is what empowers and attracts things to happen one way or the other.

Prove it.

Which do you suppose tastes better, an imaginary cheeseburger or a real one?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Which do you suppose tastes better, an imaginary cheeseburger or a real one?

Roughly the same I suppose...depends on the strength of the Imagination...could be better even...

Originally posted by Bardock42
Roughly the same I suppose...depends on the strength of the Imagination...could be better even...

An imaginary cheeseburger does not have an actual taste; it is imaginary.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Which do you suppose tastes better, an imaginary cheeseburger or a real one?

Real, fresh off the bar-b, with all the fixin's, dripping with flavor...

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
An imaginary cheeseburger does not have an actual taste; it is imaginary.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Taste is imagination as well....

No, taste is a perception. To experience this perception, there must be something to perceive. An imaginary cheeseburger has an imaginary taste. Now which is better, an actual taste or one you just imagine?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, taste is a perception. To experience this perception, there must be something to perceive. An imaginary cheeseburger has an imaginary taste. Now which is better, an actual taste or one you just imagine?

Depends on the strength of the imagination....

The real one. Adam covered it nicely.

The imaginary one has no taste. And Bardock... PROVE that taste is imaginary.