"No roughrider. A Mortal is a human being.
Superman isnt a human being. Hes an alien."
Mortal means, not being immortal, aka immune to time.
"draco has made a good case for ww being stronger than hercules"
I have my opinion, but even at it is, Marvel doesnt have the full strenght of Hercules. Neither of the other patrons.
"how does cm get amped? does shazam grant him greater power through the rock of eternity?"
"In Vengence he gets amped up and goes toe to toe with a non god supported spectre!!!"
The impression i got was that, the gods gave him more power. Here it is the fight:
http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050830032151
Oh - what's this thread about again? Right, I forgot.
This is a glorious matchup for Thor, maybe better than Superman or Captain Marvel. Doesn't have the same magic edge( like with Supes), or the experience edge( C. Marvel). Plus Adam is a vicious S.O.B.; no gentlemenly fistacuffs here! BM hits Thor in mid-air and makes a hole in the ground with him, Thor knocks BM flying out of the hole and charges after him with mjolnir, the air is full of lighting as they rain blows on each other - it just goes on and on and on...
until a god-blast settles it in Thor's favour, who then needs a few vacations days in Valhalla! 😎
Originally posted by leonidas
how does cm get amped? does shazam grant him greater power through the rock of eternity?
In DOV as Whirly states, hes given magical power from every magical being in the universe. Villains demons and Gods included.
Captain Marvel stacking powers is something that he justs does. When armwrestling Supes, hes stated that Superman isnt stronger than the combined might of Atlas and Hercules.
In another instance, a villain made something that even the power of Hercules couldnt conquer. Cap then said something like "You forget that I have the power of Zues as well. So that means I have the strength of Hercules AND Zeus. The stamina of Atlas ANd Zues.!" something like that.
<<Captain Marvel stacking powers is something that he justs does. When armwrestling Supes, hes stated that Superman isnt stronger than the combined might of Atlas and Hercules.>>
hmm, i confess i've never heard of his 'stacking powers' before. sounds a bit . . . odd. though the whole 'power of zeus' thing has always been a bit of a question. in what way, besides the lighnting, is zeus's power manifested in cm? i used to think he could hurl lightning bolts and no one seems to be able to confirm or deny this fact.
and rider, you almost exactly echoed my earlier thoughts at the start of the thread when i said this in one of the most even/best matches ever set on this forum. this would be an EPIC fight.
"cool fight. thanks. though in there it sounds like enchantress simply . . . GAVE him more power. obviously THAT cm would be stronger than ww OR supes, but that one also obviously doesn't count for this discussion"
I got it as magical beings that werent still taken by Spectre and the gods as giving more power. Enchantress included. Tho she looks like she was mainly to keep Billy at this level. (he gets back at normal not long after she gets off the "trance"😉.
"Captain Marvel stacking powers is something that he justs does. When armwrestling Supes, hes stated that Superman isnt stronger than the combined might of Atlas and Hercules"
With stacking you mean combining the levels he have of the gods power? Yes post Ordway he can do that.
Originally posted by leonidasIn Flash #219 it states that WW is stronger than Hercules.
draco has made a good case for ww being stronger than hercules,
Originally posted by leonidasI still think that CM is stronger than WW until proven otherwise.
using the dc hierarchy, it SHOULD go:1. superman
2. wonderwoman
3. captain marvel/black adam.
Originally posted by leonidasThats Draco brian washing people I think.
<<I still think that CM is stronger than WW until proven otherwise.>>well . . . if she's stronger than herc, and he doesn't even possess ALL of herc's strength, . . . 🤨
CM has the strength of Hercules. He dont actually have Hercules' strength. The same with all of his other powers.
"In Flash #219 it states that WW is stronger than Hercules"
Post crisis there are both statements of each sides. Hercules has stated she wasent stronger than him, more than once as well.
"well . . . if she's stronger than herc, and he doesn't even possess ALL of herc's strength, . . ."
In the other hand you have to see his treatment as equal and the fights with Superman. Dont forget that what the Zeus part does, its also enchanting the other powers.
Originally posted by olympianHercules may have said that he is stronger than WW but the narration said that that WW was stronger than Hercules in the Flash comic.Post crisis there are both statements of each sides. Hercules has stated she wasent stronger than him, more than once as well.
Herc says alot of stuff I think.
What he combined was the portions of strenght he has of both to match Superman.
Superman being equal to both Herc and Atlas at full power its insane.
"WW is stronger than Hercules."
Yes i already saw your opinion. Where is the proof.
"Untill I see WW stalemate Superman in a armwrestling match then Ill agree she as strong or stronger than CM."
If she never stalemated him physically in a fight like Marvel has, why do you give her the "stronger" doubt?
