Vote for Khell.
I think it's 1-1 now.
Quick justification for the vote: I don't think the mirrors will happen, and other than brain-messing, some tentacles (both which I don't think will put Majestic out for the count), and a couple other random things, I'm a bit unsure what lp is doing for a "main attack" on Blackstrom.
Good arguments though...close fight. I retain the right to change my vote, but Khell gets it for now.
-DM
Oh, justifying my vote... I doubt Khell could stop the Astral form, solely because magic has a tendency to bypass things that every other type of energy cannot. (Quasar's constructs, Surfer has no control over magic, etc) Also, there's definitely a difference between stuff like mental confusion and mental assault. Assaults are usually shrugged off by willpower, where stuff like confusion spells tend to be more insidious. Almost like the difference between Guerilla tactics and a massive assault.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Oh, justifying my vote... I doubt Khell could stop the Astral form, solely because magic has a tendency to bypass things that every other type of energy cannot. (Quasar's constructs, Surfer has no control over magic, etc) Also, there's definitely a difference between stuff like mental confusion and mental assault. Assaults are usually shrugged off by willpower, where stuff like confusion spells tend to be more insidious. Almost like the difference between Guerilla tactics and a massive assault.
In his most recent series, Majestic has his body invaded by more than half a dozen Daemonites in their astral forms. They are straight up trying to take over his mind, and he rejects them almost immediately. The point is, he's dealt with both kinds of mental intrusion and fought them both off.
And Silver Surfer and Quasar had their inability to weakness specifically written in, while Majestic has been shown to repeatedly overcome several kinds of magical attacks. It's just how he was created.
Originally posted by long pig
He'd first have no know I'm there, which you won't
Originally posted by long pig
THEN you'd have to know exactly how to use a technique which takes losts of skill, which you don't have.
No molecular motion equals no kenetic energy, therefore your trick won't work. Sorry.
Don't try to talk around when you know it's true.
kinetic energy of electrons...Of a single neutron.
Won't work.
It'd be like trying to steal the energy from someones thought. Or from someone's spirit.
He stole the kinetic energy of a cosmic being who was immune to ALL conventional forms off attack.
You can't steal kinetic energy from something that doesn't make kinetic energy. You'll be too confused and time controlled to try.
You can't really do....anything actually.
Originally posted by Khellendros
And Silver Surfer and Quasar had their inability to weakness specifically written in, while Majestic has been shown to repeatedly overcome several kinds of magical attacks. It's just how he was created.
I meant that I dunno if Maelstrom's abilities would work on the astral form, even though he's drained energy before, because magic is simply NOT any type of energy... If he's used it against anything that's magic before, please do tell.
Originally posted by long pig
When did this Ironman thing happen? He wasn't in magic armor was he?
Originally posted by newjak86
I am going to vote for long pig.
Reasons: I think you guys have both given great arguements but Long Pig has me convinced he can screw woth Kheel's guy's mind.
Originally posted by long pig
[QUOTE=4573948]Originally posted by long pig
No molecular motion equals no kenetic energy, therefore your trick won't work. Sorry.
Originally posted by long pig
Don't try to talk around when you know it's true.
Originally posted by long pig
Good for him. Astral form doesn't contain electrons. It contains no atoms, no molecules.
Originally posted by long pig
Great, I bet the cosmic being had molecules, didn't he? Yeah he did.
Originally posted by long pig
You can't steal kinetic energy from something that doesn't make kinetic energy. You'll be too confused and time controlled to try.
Originally posted by long pig
You can't really do....anything actually.
Originally posted by KhellendrosIt's just that you idea assumes that you can overcome his magical attacks. You have shown instances when he concentrated he overcame a few spells from low level people but that is it. From what you say he isn't immune and that he has to focus to overcome it. Strange is no slouch as Sorceror Upreme and the number of Magical Attacks he has to overcome means he could focus on all of them. But it is still close I could still change my vote.
Wow. Of all the ways I thought I might be losing this debate, I didn't think it would be based on the mental attacks aspect. Oh well.
Until Malestrom starts absorbing kinetic energy of magic souls and thought, your point isn't valid.
No molecules means no kinetic energy, I keep telling you this.
You keep saying "Well, he's controlled energy before".
What kind of energy? When? Where? How? The energy he absorbed CAME from kinetic motion, Astral form does not, can not create kinetic motion.
Who says Astral form is energy?
Magneto can't sense it, the Fantastic Four's energy sensors that protect their building can't sense it.....but Ironman can?
It's doubtful.