Natakus's (=D) Amalgam Tournament [Phase 3] {ROUND 1} (Vote now!) Long Pig vs Khell

Started by newjak866 pages

Originally posted by long pig
Horrid isn't it? Blah...

My point was, Ironman was only able to pick up the Astral form because Strange was making it so that others could perceive him.

He has a point and when Strange doesn't want to be seen then it seems no can pick up the Astral Form.

Originally posted by newjak86
He has a point and when Strange doesn't want to be seen then it seems no can pick up the Astral Form.

maybe.... but the fact that he can become invisible while astral doesn't necessarily mean people like IM couldn't detect him..... are there any issues or pics to back up that claim?

and it isn't unheard of for bother beings with mental abilities (which i think mr M does have) to detect astral projections that try to remain hidden

Nate Grey did it to Prof X when he was new to MUE... and he wasn't even that well trained

Yes long pig do you have any issue or scans for it.

Mr.Majestic has what type of mental abilities? None were listed.
Nate Grey is a natural telepath of a high order....you think Majestic's mental abilities are on par with Grey's?

I don't really memorize issue numbers but I do remember Xavier not being detected by Magneto and Strange not being detected by FF's security sensors.
But no, I can't prove it at all.

Originally posted by Scoobless
and it isn't unheard of for bother beings with mental abilities (which i think mr M does have) to detect astral projections that try to remain hidden

Holy SH*T Scoob, I totally forgot about that! Mr. Majestic is a low level telepath! God, the man has so many pwers, I'm forgetting some lol. Anyways, he's displayed the telepathy in the past, but the most impressive use was in his newest series. The entire population of Earth has been kidnapped, and when he finds them, he reads their minds to find out what happened. Then, in the next issue, he reroutes data from the damaged living computer that runs the ship holding them through the dormant kidnapped species minds (it had kidnaped hundreds of worlds worth of people). I'll post scans in a bit. So there, that's a third way of sensing the astral form.

Eh, so you'll see me as I'm compressing time around you. 😉

Okay, here he is reading the mind of one of the humans while they are stuck in ice, seeing the last memory they had before being transported onto the ship:

And later, here's Majestic explaining how he's going to fix the computer by linking all billions and billions of minds to the living computer running the ship:

And, here's what it looks like when an alien supercomputer is telepathically linked tot he population of Earth, among others:

Originally posted by long pig
Eh, so you'll see me as I'm compressing time around you. 😉

Naah, I'll see you as I'm freezing you in midair. 😄

Nothing to freeze, no molecules.

You do realize those illusions of Strange's each have mid-level telepathic abilities of their own, enough to where they could get into Loki's mind.....all 10, all against you.
It'll be a regular mind gang bang and you're the catcher! 😄

It won't take but a second, too much on your platter to really fully concentraite on me.

Originally posted by long pig
Nothing to freeze, no molecules.

You do realize those illusions of Strange's each have mid-level telepathic abilities of their own, enough to where they could get into Loki's mind.....all 10, all against you.
It'll be a regular mind gang bang and you're the catcher! 😄

It won't take but a second, too much on your platter to really fully concentraite on me.


Telepathic power + magical resistance + BB's ability to counter telepathy >>> weak ass illusions.

And we've been over the other. I can freeze energy, and I wil do so here.

And we've been over the other. I can freeze energy*

*Derived from kinetic motion, you keep forgetting to mention that....

Magical resistance, I've yet to see any such thing.
When your body is resisitant to magic as, say...Dormmamu, then we can talk.

Originally posted by long pig
*Derived from kinetic motion, you keep forgetting to mention that....

Magical resistance, I've yet to see any such thing.


No, he aborbs the kinetic energy, he freezes the source of said kinetic energy.

And, sorry, I don't keep scans of every Majestic appearance I've ever read on the computer, just his most recent series.

There is no source for kinetic energy here, no molecules=no motion=no kinetic energy.

I wasn't expecting scans, just I can't find anything about magical resistance anywhere on the net.

Originally posted by long pig
argh, didn't come out all the way...nevermind.

O_o Okay.

Originally posted by long pig
There is no source for kinetic energy here, no molecules=no motion=no kinetic energy.

I wasn't expecting scans, just I can't find anything about magical resistance anywhere on the net.


But have you found a page that says he has telepthy either? There aren't many pages on him, and most of them aren't indepth.

Well, that's the double edge sword of picking an abscure character.

As for the conjuring debate.

Strange is also able to tap this universe's store of ambient magical energy and manipulate it
for a variety of effects. He is able to form and hurl magical energy bolts with a high degree
of potency and control. He is able to erect energy shields or screens with a high degree of
imperviousness to both physical and magical damage. He is able to use local magical
energy for the conjuration of small physical objects like money or rabbits, or for unusual
luminescent effects. Strange can also transform one object into another, though the
transformation only lasts for as long as he wills it.

I could make mirrors out of anything, conjuring things is what master mages do.

Could turn a cat into a mirror, anything. Kinda like firelord, hell, I probably could the same to you if you don't have complete control over your molecules.

Also, for the monkey business of the Astral plane.

Strange has mastered the art of astral projection, the mental ability to separate the astral
self-the sheath of the soul, or life essence-from his physical self, and in this form traverse
through space unbounded by any physical law but fully retaining human consciousness. The
astral form is invisible, intangible, and incapable of being harmed.

Basically saying the laws of science doesn't apply on the Astral form, they are unbound by scientific/physical laws...i.e kinetic energy and such.

Originally posted by long pig
Also, for the monkey business of the Astral plane.

Basically saying the laws of science doesn't apply on the Astral form, they are unbound by scientific/physical laws...i.e kinetic energy and such.

it may say that.... but you have also proven youreslf that it can still be harmed by natural means.... such as radiation or heat.... so it isn't outside all physical laws

Originally posted by long pig
Well, that's the double edge sword of picking an abscure character.

As for the conjuring debate.

I could make mirrors out of anything, conjuring things is what master mages do.

Could turn a cat into a mirror, anything. Kinda like firelord, hell, I probably could the same to you if you don't have complete control over your molecules.


One, it says he can conjure small things. Two, it says that when he turns one thing into another, it only stays that way while he wills it to. So, not only would he have to concentrate to keep the mirros in existance, he has to perform a spell that is not only risky, but requires complex movements and complete concentration to perform.
On top of that, my point from the start is that you shouldn't be able to do it during this tournament. It was my uderstanding that we just came into this with the standard equipment, but if it's not, someone tell me, so I can start creating some of Majestic's weapons with BB's matter manipulation, like the aforementioned sword that cuts through the astral forms of Daemonites.

The radiation of the magical star created by the magical sun wizard ?
Is that what you're referring to??
There was nothing natural about that magically created star.

Regular physical laws don't apply to the Astral plane, DS#6 Astral form goes from a park to into the middle of the earth in a second or two, in the middle of the lava the Astral form was fine, only until the magical lava of Dormmamu did it effect the Astral form.

I'd only need the mirrors for a few seconds, and since Strange has the greatest will of any human, willing it into place isn't a big deal.

It's a power that Strange has, if BB has ever created something material and you think you could do it without his mind and just rudimentary knowledge of BB's power, then by all means do it.

Long pig wins 5-1