Surfer should be able to drain the Green Lantern and Superman of their respective energy and Green Arrow is a non factor (WTF....he uses a bow and arrow for Darksied's sake!). That leaves WW and Flash versus 5 heralds. Take away the ability for the heralds to drain their energy, add a few more heavy hitters (like Firestorm, Dr. Fate, Captian Atom, ect), and get rid of Green Arrow and you would have a good fight.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Surfer should be able to drain the Green Lantern and Superman of their respective energy
I don't think that will happen he usually isn't fighting someone thats going at light speed when hes done this, same goes with matter manipulation which he usually has to do by touch although I have seen him do it by not, the enemy usually isn't fighting at light speed....which slims the chances of him beating Supes a great deal...
As far as Green Lantern if they can will a planet back together why can't they will someone from draining there power or have a shield that would stop that, same with matter manipulation...all a Green Lantern would have to do is teleport his board away.....and a GL would find out about that from the ring telling him that together it enchances his powers.
GL and Superman have beatin people that are Surfer level before.
Plus Surfer seems pretty dumb and ignorant about his powers from what I've read and I've read every volume.
And his matter manipulation has a time limit on it so that must be why he doesn't do it to much in a fight.
Here he temporally heals a blind and admits he doesn't have the power to permanently heal her.
This would be a form of matter manipulation.
Its his girl for the rest of the ongoing till 1998 and shes still blind at the end.
Fans over estimate Surfer......if they read alot of Surfer then they can see why I don't.
As far as I know it has never been shown that Surfer's matter manipulation has a time limit
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-matter_manipulation-15.html
(him not being able to heal Alicia's eyes permanently is crap)
Healing Feats, none of which have a "time limit"
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-healing-4.html
He absorbed the ENTIRE oan battery, not just a ring
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-energy_manipulation-14.html
His recreate his board anytime he wants (pointless as the GL would be powerless)
http://www.geocities.com/bruno_nojunk/type-board-04.html
Also Ruin was able to drain Superman with red sunlight (or Surfer could just use K-nite radiation)
Originally posted by Murda Mase
Its his girl for the rest of the ongoing till 1998 and shes still blind at the end.Fans over estimate Surfer......if they read alot of Surfer then they can see why I don't.
Alicia is blind for plot reasons. She's been blind for decades, and the entire point of her character is that she, as a scupltor, can "see" things in people without sight.
Surfer has resurrected an entire planet, and a dead god. I don't think he'd have any problems curing a blind woman, if he had the deisre. In any event, it doesn't even make any sense for her to be cured "temporarily."
And no one underestimates the surfer. If anything, he's vastly underestimated because he's not a particularly popular comic character. Indeed, I'd say you're exhibt A for that proposition. "Surfer can only manipulate matter by touch" "Surfer's matter manipulation is temporary"
You're trying to pass yourself off as someone who has "read alot"? Please....
as for this fight, yes, the heralds win easily.
When has a green lantern willed a planet back together? Scans please. When GLs are rebuilding planets, they do it piece by piece -- terraforming the same way, for example, a mining company restores a stripped area.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
???WTF??? The JLA definitely has a chance. All the Heralds have are brute-guys. The only one with any sort of versatility is Surfer.
Dude, don't comment when you have no idea what you're talking about. All the heralds have virtually identical powers: they channel cosmic energy. They manifest this power in different ways to reflect their different personalities, and pre-herald powers. But otherwise, they are identical.
Surfer is the most powerful because he's the most experienced, skilled, and seems able to channel the most energy. Incidentally, this also shows that pre-herald powers have nothing to do with post-herald powers. Terrax and Morg were both extremely powerful prior to wielding the power cosmic, but they're no more powerful than surfer.
Originally posted by slade10
And no one underestimates the surfer.
Originally posted by slade10
If anything, he's vastly underestimated because he's not a particularly popular comic character.
HAHAHAHA
Originally posted by slade10
You're trying to pass yourself off as someone who has "read alot"? Please....
Bah, rubish Speculation that you can't prove....
I could say the same about you doesn't make it true....SMH
Why do people still doubt Green lantern's feats........❌
And
🤨 Surfer has a time limit on his matter manipulation......😂
Some one is talking out his ass...........
I have read countless issues of the surfer and I have yet to see that crap about a time limit.Also that incident with alicia masters is pis seriously Surfer has healed worse things then eyes.She has always been blind that's the character it's like Professor X being able to walk or Nick fury getting a robotic eye implant or whatever,it will not be the same.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Except that's not willing a planet back together... that's high-level tk, impressive no doubt. But it's not matter manipulation -- he's not affecting a planetary-size mass at the atomic level.
He just clumped a bunch of space debris together into a mass of unknown size, and trapped someone in it.
Compare that to resurrecting a dead planet....
Originally posted by slade10
Except that's not willing a planet back together... that's high-level tk, impressive no doubt. But it's not matter manipulation -- he's not affecting a planetary-size mass at the atomic level.He just clumped a bunch of space debris together into a mass of unknown size, and trapped someone in it.
Compare that to resurrecting a dead planet....
You asked for a scan of a planet being willed back together.
That is exactly what you got...
...and that was a planet just pages before that was destroyed by traitor, Kyle willed it back together to the way it was.
Plus, there is NO way to put a planet back together withouth matter manipulation. A planet is a complex structure with many different layers, environments... you can't simply mush one together..
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You asked for a scan of a planet being willed back together.
That is exactly what you got......and that was a planet just pages before that was destroyed by traitor, Kyle willed it back together to the way it was.
Plus, there is NO way to put a planet back together withouth matter manipulation. A planet is a complex structure with many different layers, environments... you can't simply mush one together..
The poster who stated that GL could will a planet back together was talking about matter manipulation -- presumably as distinct from TK. I took that to mean that he actually rebuilt a planet the way it was before it was destroyed. That involves the control of trillions of chemical reactions at the atmoic level to ensure the composition and atmosphere exist as they did previous to destruction.
That scan simply shows a green lantern gathering a bunch of space debris. When GLs rebuild planets, they do it the old-fashioned way: terra-forming. Surfer, in contrast, simply decided he wanted a planet to come back to life, adjusted every atom on the planet, and it did.
The pic is an impressive feat, no doubt. But it doesn't show matter manipulation on any scale, much less a planetary scale.
In any event, GL is the only one of the JLA who can do such things. If it was 5 GLs vs 5 heralds, better fight. (aside from speed blitzing) But that is not this fight.
Originally posted by slade10
Except that's not willing a planet back together... that's high-level tk, impressive no doubt. But it's not matter manipulation -- he's not affecting a planetary-size mass at the atomic level.He just clumped a bunch of space debris together into a mass of unknown size, and trapped someone in it.
Compare that to resurrecting a dead planet....
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You asked for a scan of a planet being willed back together.
That is exactly what you got......and that was a planet just pages before that was destroyed by traitor, Kyle willed it back together to the way it was.
Plus, there is NO way to put a planet back together withouth matter manipulation. A planet is a complex structure with many different layers, environments... you can't simply mush one together..
Oh, and you CAN just mush a planet together. This is how the form initially. The gravity of a sufficiently alrge mass will keep it together and form a core. The atmosphere, environments, etc form over millions of years..
Originally posted by slade10
Oh, and you CAN just mush a planet together. This is how the form initially. The gravity of a sufficiently alrge mass will keep it together and form a core. The atmosphere, environments, etc form over millions of years..
Except he rebuilt the planet Ramnos, core and everything in place just how it was, and it was done quickly.
You are right about how long it normally takes and how it works, you even pointed out how long it takes to form a core, thus helping prove my point.
Just because something has a planet size mass, it doesnt make it a planet.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Except he rebuilt the planet Ramnos, core and everything in place just how it was, and it was done quickly.You are right about how long it normally takes and how it works, you even pointed out how long it takes to form a core, thus helping prove my point.
Just because something has a planet size mass, it doesnt make it a planet.
No, the core forms quickly. There's too much heat built up from the mass. You have to get to earth-moon size+ for that to happen. But it happens more or less instantly. Massive pressure = heat. You can't avoid it.
And nothing is "how it was." the people are still dead, and there's no atmosphere or terrain. It's just a mass of space debris. GL's have been shown rebuilding planets, but usually in teams, and using terraforming (i.e. moving soil around, planting seeds, etc -- on a massive scale, no doubt, but still terraforming).
Originally posted by slade10
No, the core forms quickly. There's too much heat built up from the mass. You have to get to earth-moon size+ for that to happen. But it happens more or less instantly. Massive pressure = heat. You can't avoid it.And nothing is "how it was." the people are still dead, and there's no atmosphere or terrain. It's just a mass of space debris. GL's have been shown rebuilding planets, but usually in teams, and using terraforming (i.e. moving soil around, planting seeds, etc -- on a massive scale, no doubt, but still terraforming).
Inner Cores don't form within seconds, which are usually made from a iron nickel alloy, rock, or ice, neither does the mantle which is usually silicate/amonium/water and methane, nor the crust which is silicate.
Now saying that a bunch of space debris was just put together, turned to the appropriate substances, making sure the proper chemicals reactions happen and then are put in their correct locations and orders within seconds isn't matter manipulation is wrong.
By the way, this was the planet before it was destroyed.
