‘gaysrok’

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I think there's a pattern of people justifying this breach of government neutrality with "Oh, they went and did this." In no way am I arguing that what hate groups do or believe is right. The idea that the KKK can congregate in this day and age is ridiculous, and its because of an -abuse- of said freedom of speech that such things can exist.

Long time ago somebody got their foot in the door and said "Oh hey, the law vaguely says I can just express myself however I want. No limitations and no regard for the consequences to others besides myself. Woo hoo!". And thus the same shit that spawned this debate was born. Your freedom to swing your fist ends well before the other person's nose. Same should be for freedom of speech. This isn't a magazine article saying gays are okay, this is a bloody license plate made by the state. I don't care what anyone says, such a thing shouldn't exist and neither should any other kind of customization. You want customization? Eat at Subway.

you dont like freedom of speach? oh no, you're all for it, just so long as YOU dont find it offensive......then move to china 😬 see what happens when limitations are put of such freedom

Originally posted by botankus
Actually, I'm a slanderer myself for calling you that!

Hmm yes......interesting........I was not asking if you were a slanderer though but why I am one....just cause I state the truth...oh you cruel world.....

You called her a name. (I'm telling!)

This just in: We all suck! How's that for a license plate?

Originally posted by botankus
You called her a name. (I'm telling!)

This just in: We all suck! How's that for a license plate?

I called her bigot......that's not a name...but a description of her behaviour.....

Yes that's ok......

If I call you a Nazi it's calling you a name. But I won't since I know that term is tirelessly overused on your behalf here at KMC (and also unfunny).

Originally posted by botankus
If I call you a Nazi it's calling you a name. But I won't since I know that term is tirelessly overused on your behalf here at KMC (and also unfunny).

If I would state the Party Programme of the Nazi Party and said that I agree to it....and then I would get called Nazi that wouldn't be name calling but the siomple truth...

It's still a derogatory term. If I called someone a "wimp" because they wouldn't jump off of a waterfall, I would be calling them a derogatory name. By definition, "wimp"...well, we all know what it means and I would be describing them. It doesn't mean that anything in-between was or wasn't stupid, it's still a name.

Originally posted by PVS
you dont like freedom of speach? oh no, you're all for it, just so long as YOU dont find it offensive......then move to china 😬 see what happens when limitations are put of such freedom

Freedom comes with responsibilities and consequences. Obviously you live by the modern mindset that is ever-so-popular here in the United States that the rights of expression and the individual override the already-shaky morality of a society. I notice that if one disagrees with either a gay way of life or their "right" (Read: priviledge) to have a "gaysrok" license plate, one is immediately a bigot, hate mongerer, and slanderer. But at the same time one is allowed to bash Christians, which include a large majority of Western civilization, even if there are a small portion of said Christians who are openly hateful of gays and work actively to thwrt them.

That is really really just ****ing stupid.

And FYI, you have limitations on freedom all the time. Freedom isn't as general as you'd like to believe. It includes political freedom, circumstantial freedom, freedom of expression and many others I'm not going to regurgitate here for you since I doubt you're really listening anyways. But the point is freedom is a priviledge, no matter how much you try and color it otherwise. You have as much freedom as another person/situation/government/etc. allow and no more.

And before you start burning bibles and chanting "We have rights" and "freedom of speech", I'd like to point out that any fully-functional government that wants its people to maintain trust in them must also place restrictions on their people or risk anarchy. And any idiot knows that anarcy works about as good as lighting a cigarette in a blizzard.

Now... If you actually had something to say besides "Freedom of speech" ad naseum, and you could actually -try- and convince myself and everyone else here of why freedom of speech as you define it is so important (and try not to draw parellels between a state that doesn't want a pro-gay license plate with Communist China or Fascist Germany) I'd be impressed.

But really, you're just gonna attack me and spin a bunch of nonsense, like you've been doing, and totally ignoring the point that no government should allow customized license plates with this or anything else on it other than the number, plain and visible.

ill say whatever the hell i please. i think you're a bible beating hypocritical bigot, who thinks that everyone who doesnt fall into your pinheaded group think is not a REAL christian. you say whatever you want about me, and guess what? neither of us will be dragged away and thrown in a cell for stating what we wish. thats the beauty of america. like i said... if you dont like it, ship your ass to china.

and please quit your petty grandstanding and educating. im well aware of the 'limitations' on free speach, but they only apply to situations where your words can cause direct physical harm to others.

edit: and fyi custom plates annoy the shit out of me. however, i doubt you would complain at all if the plate read "jesusroks". well, what if i was with the church of satan and found that offensive. does that give me the right to dictate whats appropriate and whats offensive?

PVS, DJ has some pretty damn good arguments, but you continually throw the fact he's a devout Christian back in his face 😬

I like the fact that he writes excessively long essays 🙄 You may already know everything he points out but I'm willing to bet half of KMC would learn a thing or two if they bothered reading what he's written.

Not trying to provoke anything, just saying that DJ is discussing things rationally, yet you seem hell bent on insulting him. From my viewpoint anyway 🥷

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I think there's a pattern of people justifying this breach of government neutrality with "Oh, they went and did this." In no way am I arguing that what hate groups do or believe is right. The idea that the KKK can congregate in this day and age is ridiculous, and its because of an -abuse- of said freedom of speech that such things can exist.

Long time ago somebody got their foot in the door and said "Oh hey, the law vaguely says I can just express myself however I want. No limitations and no regard for the consequences to others besides myself. Woo hoo!". And thus the same shit that spawned this debate was born. Your freedom to swing your fist ends well before the other person's nose. Same should be for freedom of speech. This isn't a magazine article saying gays are okay, this is a bloody license plate made by the state. I don't care what anyone says, such a thing shouldn't exist and neither should any other kind of customization. You want customization? Eat at Subway.

Jackass, Freedom of Speech was made so we could make watever statement we want, It's not like the state is saying that, a single person is, how does someone in Utah with a 'GAYRYTS" liscence plate affect you? If your offended then don't drive in Utah.

Originally posted by PVS
ill say whatever the hell i please. i think you're a bible beating hypocritical bigot, who thinks that everyone who doesnt fall into your pinheaded group think is not a REAL christian. you say whatever you want about me, and guess what? neither of us will be dragged away and thrown in a cell for stating what we wish. thats the beauty of america. like i said... if you dont like it, ship your ass to china.

and please quit your petty grandstanding and educating. im well aware of the 'limitations' on free speach, but they only apply to situations where your words can cause direct physical harm to others.

edit: and fyi custom plates annoy the shit out of me. however, i doubt you would complain at all if the plate read "jesusroks". well, what if i was with the church of satan and found that offensive. does that give me the right to dictate whats appropriate and whats offensive?

2. What the hell is with your hostility?

3. Darth Janus has repeatedly stated that he believes that neither pro-gay or anti-gay/pro-Christian or anti-Christian/etc. license plates/what-have-yous should be placed on cars.

4. You want someone to say that you're not a 'real' Christian? Fine. I'll say it: PVS, you aren't a "real" Christian. You may believe in Christ and have asked for his forgiveness--which does make you a Christian--but your liberal ideals directly contradict what is written in the Bible.

Tell me I'm a hypocrite, that I'm a bad Christian. That I'm judgmental. But don't try and argue your viewpoints by involving your beliefs about Christianity. They don't hold water.

This isn't what this thread is for. ***** about it in the Religion forum or PMs, but not here.

5. I'm noticing a pattern in what people say about arguing with you: you twist and manipulate their words. Either they are all full of crap, or they are all making an accurate observation.

Originally posted by Syren
PVS, DJ has some pretty damn good arguments, but you continually throw the fact he's a devout Christian back in his face 😬

I like the fact that he writes excessively long essays 🙄 You may already know everything he points out but I'm willing to bet half of KMC would learn a thing or two if they bothered reading what he's written.

Not trying to provoke anything, just saying that DJ is discussing things rationally, yet you seem hell bent on insulting him. From my viewpoint anyway 🥷

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Jackass, Freedom of Speech was made so we could make watever statement we want, It's not like the state is saying that, a single person is, how does someone in Utah with a 'GAYRYTS" liscence plate affect you? If your offended then don't drive in Utah.

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. You seem to enjoy throwing the term 'bigot' around. Please stop doing so unless the person at which you are aiming the attack is actually a bigot.

2. What the hell is with your hostility?

3. Darth Janus has repeatedly stated that he believes that neither pro-gay or anti-gay/pro-Christian or anti-Christian/etc. license plates/what-have-yous should be placed on cars.

4. You want someone to say that you're not a 'real' Christian? Fine. I'll say it: PVS, you aren't a "real" Christian. You may believe in Christ and have asked for his forgiveness--which does make you a Christian--but your liberal ideals directly contradict what is written in the Bible.

Tell me I'm a hypocrite, that I'm a bad Christian. That I'm judgmental. But don't try and argue your viewpoints by involving your beliefs about Christianity. They don't hold water.

This isn't what this thread is for. ***** about it in the Religion forum or PMs, but not here.

5. I'm noticing a pattern in what people say about arguing with you: you twist and manipulate their words. Either they are all full of crap, or they are all making an accurate observation.

There is a difference between a viewpoint and observing something objectively and stating the facts, Syren. You are demonstrating the latter.

Nice way to start your post. 'Jackass'. Darth Janus is talking about something that goes beyond what happened in Utah. He's talking about the entire United States. It's not 'GAYRYTS' that bothers him--it's not that hard to comprehend, if you actually take a second to read and comprehend his posts--it's the abuse of the freedom of speech.

still on you little mission against me, oh mr. hypocrite troll? 😬

Originally posted by PVS
still on you little mission against me, oh mr. hypocrite troll? 😬

no need to defend myself against blatant hypocrisy. your antagonistic nature speaks volumes, and the very thought that you would think yourself "above it all" makes me giggle.

so i just wont dignify your compulsive trolling with a response.
awwww 🙁 all that typing for nothing...burns the shit out of you doesnt it 😂

First off, Syren, thanks for recognizing that I'm trying to (or have already) gotten a point across. PVS is hellbent on Christian bashing and calling everyone bigots and hate mongers when the only person here showing real hatred is him. Also, he's been assuming this whole time that I am a Christian. That's just plain assinine. While I have religious family members, and my views sometimes coincide with those of church-going folk, I am not a Christian by any definition of the word. So by insisting that I am a Christian, PVS hopes that I will be taken as some kind of fundamenta extremist.

Now, about religion. The interpretation that is held by most conservative Christians is that homosexuality is wrong. In particular, there is a passage that states men shall not lay with men as they do with women, or some such wording. Your conservative Christians will say it means homosexuality is unnatural and against god's will. Liberal Christians who advocate same-sex relationships (or in PVS' case, defend them tooth and nail) often take that line and say "Well, hey... men don't lay with men like they do with women. It's a totally different act." Well, I can understand conservative Christians hearing that and saying "Yeah, you can call a duck a goose... doesn't make him one."

But you can argue that particular passage in religion/philosophy. The focus of this thread was the Utah license plate thing, and not the accused bigotry of everyone who doesn't pull a happy face and say it's okay to be gay. Hell, I'm surprised PVS doesn't break out in song and dance... I mean, I've never said people can't believe what they want... But when you start bashing people for not believing in your views (And I am speaking directly to you on this, PVS...) You're a hypocrite. This whole time you've been labelling anyone who's against the license plate and has a negative viewpoint on homosexuality as a hate mongerer and a bigot, and yet you're the bigot here. Specifically, you've lumped me in with fundamentalist religious fanatics (Because I don't share your views) and you don't know me from Adam.

And alcoholicpoet... Seriously? You need to get a better grip on the situation. Let me disect everything you said in your longest post to me yet:

- You cannot say whatever you want. You cannot yell "fire" in a movie theatre. You cannot threaten to kill the president before officials. You cannot lie and slander people in a way that will harm them publically or in print.

- The freedom of speech was made so that Americans could exrcise freedoms they didn't have under King George. It was NOT made so everyone can just say anything whatever, to whomever or however. A freedom with no boundaries is too easily abused.

- For the last time, this isn't about me driving in Utah and seeing the license plate and being offended. It's about the fact that a US court decided it was okay to have such license plates (especially in what is thought to be a rather conservative and 'non-progressive' state!) and this will have reprocussions in the future. Now, having license plates or stickers that say "I eat crap" or whatever may seem extreme, but this could prove to be the wedge which drives open the limitations of freedom of expression and leads to a whole new age of liberal America, with no moral structure and no respect for one another's views...

- You have in America (and in most places) to say what you want in certain company. You can tattoo your body with any image you want. You can wear dirty clothes in most places. You can drive your own car. In a land (or lands) that has all these freedoms that you take for granted, but you will crap and cry over not being able to have a license plate issued by the state that broadcasts your views in yet another way... seriously... If you aren't happy with what you have, you have problems. People already have more freedom than they know what to do with.

Originally posted by FeceMan

Nice way to start your post. 'Jackass'. Darth Janus is talking about something that goes beyond what happened in Utah. He's talking about the entire United States. It's not 'GAYRYTS' that bothers him--it's not that hard to comprehend, if you actually take a second to read and comprehend his posts--it's the abuse of the freedom of speech.

How exactly can one abuse freedom of speech? Stating words and opinions no matter how offensive or contreversial, is not hurting anyone.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
How exactly can one abuse freedom of speech? Stating words and opinions no matter how offensive or contreversial, is not hurting anyone.

You're kidding me, right? You honestly don't know how freedom of speech can be abused, or how people can be hurt?

Try an experiment: go to someone close to you, and say the most hurtful things you can imagine. Say whatever it is you want to say because you want to and because you believe you have the 'right'.

And then tell me again that words, expressions cannot hurt people.

Do you have anything else to add, or will you be reading the rest of my post sometime during this fall?

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
You're kidding me, right? You honestly don't know how freedom of speech can be abused, or how people can be hurt?

Try an experiment: go to someone close to you, and say the most hurtful things you can imagine. Say whatever it is you want to say because you want to and because you believe you have the 'right'.

And then tell me again that words, expressions cannot hurt people.

Do you have anything else to add, or will you be reading the rest of my post sometime during this fall?

Walk away from the guy, it's not like he'll follow you, and if he does, then he's breaking the law.

Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Walk away from the guy, it's not like he'll follow you, and if he does, then he's breaking the law.

That made no sense. I suppose you're living up to your SN. Well, I was foolish to think I'd get some decent feedback at 3 AM...