silver surfer v prof x: BATTLE OF THE MIND

damn, snoop, you're the man! and ss never controlled ANYONE'S mind! wtf, cc? did you read the issue? he wanted to show the people of earth what peace might be like so using 'every iota of his raw, elemental power' he tapped into the universe's quantum energies and showed them an image (which i admit he must have placed in their minds) of what a peaceful earth might be like. the people thought it was wonderful.

he didn't control anyone! where did you get that idea from? i suppose he tapped quantum energies because of the uncertainty of it - he basically showed them a peek from a 'what if the earth knew peace' universe.

controlled all the minds on earth? and THAT'S why you think he's an omega level telepath? 🙄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Awww...Surfie cares!!!!

It does seem empathic and brief. I don't see any mind control however.

Your point? Professor X would need to use Cerebro to telepathically connect with everyone in the US. I realize you don't particularly care for the Silver Surfer, but don't downplay the feat.

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, snoop, you're the man! and ss never controlled ANYONE'S mind! wtf, cc? did you read the issue? he wanted to show the people of earth what peace might be like so using 'every iota of his raw, elemental power' he tapped into the universe's quantum energies and showed them an image (which i admit he must have placed in their minds) of what a peaceful earth might be like. the people thought it was wonderful.

he didn't control anyone! where did you get that idea from? i suppose he tapped quantum energies because of the uncertainty of it - he basically showed them a peek from a 'what if the earth knew peace' universe.

controlled all the minds on earth? and THAT'S why you think he's an omega level telepath? 🙄

Empathy is a form of mind control. The text on the page speaks against what you are saying, leo.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Your point? Professor X would need to use Cerebro to telepathically connect with everyone in the US. I realize you don't particularly care for the Silver Surfer, but don't downplay the feat.

Believe it or not, I'm being completely neutral here. Are you?

I'm not denying it's a nice feat...BUT, it's not mind control CC.

In a room together as the thread implies, X would beat Surfer. Give the man his credit. SS would own him every other way.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Believe it or not, I'm being completely neutral here. Are you?

I'm not denying it's a nice feat...BUT, it's not mind control CC.

In a room together as the thread implies, X would beat Surfer. Give the man his credit. SS would own him every other way.

What is empathy, if it is not a form of mind control? He didn't turn the Earth into his mindslaves, but he controlled what was in their minds by telepathic communication. Empathy.

Mind. Control.

Sorry if I falsely accused you of bias. Your "The Silver Surfer is the most overrated character in comicdom" threads can be quite misleading.

X needs Cerebro to pull off a feat like that. Point proven.

Surfer can focus his energy into any of his powers to greatly augment them. Telepathy is an option.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
What is empathy, if it is not a form of mind control? He didn't turn the Earth into his mindslaves, but he controlled what was in their minds by telepathic communication. Empathy.

Mind. Control.

Sorry if I falsely accused you of bias. Your "The Silver Surfer is the most overrated character in comicdom" threads can be quite misleading.

X needs Cerebro to pull off a feat like that. Point proven.

Somebody is on the rag today 😆 put the claws away kitty.

em·pa·thy P Pronunciation Key (mp-th)
n.
Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity.
The attribution of one's own feelings to an object.

Empathy is NOT mind control, it's not like hypnosis or imposing your will to control an individuals actions. Empathy is all about feeling. <If technology allowed> you could play a song for the world to hear and could get the same result.

I know Xavier needs Cerebro... even to "feel" the mutants around the world, but locked in a room and these 2 only going at it mentally. Xavier would win.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Surfer can focus his energy into any of his powers to greatly augment them. Telepathy is an option.

And who is sounding biased now?

Cube, I know you are better than this.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And who is sounding biased now?

Cube, I know you are better than this.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Somebody is on the rag today 😆 put the claws away kitty.

em·pa·thy P Pronunciation Key (mp-th)
n.
Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity.
The attribution of one's own feelings to an object.

Empathy is NOT mind control, it's not like hypnosis or imposing your will to control an individuals actions. Empathy is all about feeling. <If technology allowed> you could play a song for the world to hear and could get the same result.

I know Xavier needs Cerebro... even to "feel" the mutants around the world, but locked in a room and these 2 only going at it mentally. Xavier would win.

That's one of it's definitions. In terms of extrasensory perception, it means controlling and understanding another's emotions. Which is exactly what Sufer did. To the entire Earth.

Hypnosis is mind control.

You are making an argument based on nothing more than your opinion.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's one of it's definitions. In terms of extrasensory perception, it means controlling and understanding another's emotions. Which is exactly what Sufer did. To the entire Earth.

Hypnosis is mind control.

You are making an argument based on nothing more than your opinion.

Empathy has never had anything to do with true mind control..You are the one making up your own definitions. Mine is straight from the dictionary. 🙂

2 humans can be empathic towards each other without any kind of telepathy. Micheal Jackson controls the attention of thousands of screaming fans, even making many faint..does that mean he can beat Xavier in mind combat?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Empathy has never had anything to do with true mind control..You are the one making up your own definitions. Mine is straight from the dictionary. 🙂

2 humans can be empathic towards each other without any kind of telepathy. Micheal Jackson controls the attention of thousands of screaming fans, even making many faint..does that mean he can beat Xavier in mind combat?

SS used his cosmic power to change people feeling, all organic life.

Even the bad ones

He was able to connect with all life on earth that alone is a huge up for SS mental powers

Empathy is a crappy power, the only good uses are old comic Raven's emotion steal which makes her enemies not care lol, and emma DeLauro's (tv mutant X) "psychic bombs" but her powers have some TP edge to them

I think that if you left the two of them alone for days on end, X is going to win (if his body doesn't give out first). Alien minds are different to Xavier, but they're not impossible to get into. He's done mass mind manipulation to aliens off world in the past. Sure SS has an almost indomitable will, but you're talking about the master of the mind taking his time to peel away Norrin's mind bit by bit. Surfer isn't as adept at TP as Xavier is, so his his defenses won't be as formidable as Xavier's. X just knows his way around the mind more.

Is SS's will indomitable like Tessa's, im thinkin if it works like that Professor X might hav the upper hand, unless Tessa's mind is impossible to penetrate... I don't know if it has to do with force of will or wutevr

<<What is empathy, if it is not a form of mind control? He didn't turn the Earth into his mindslaves, but he controlled what was in their minds by telepathic communication. Empathy.>>

communication is not mind control, nor is it empathy. and your interpretation may not necessarily be the only one. i don't think i explained very well what i thought was happening in that scene. i see it as ss showing the world what the earth could be like. when they saw that, each person felt peace. ss did not compel them to show peace. to me, it is akin to him showing them pictures of their loved ones. of course they'll feel love when they look at the pics, but he didn't MAKE/ CONTROL them to have that feeling. he just showed the pic and let their feelings take their natural course. the other thing - we don't know EVERYONE in the world was affected.

and that is one HELL of a leap to make from here to ss being able to look into capt marvel's mind and predict a lightning attack! no cannot possibly make that assumption based on this scene.

i stand by my assertion ss has passive telepathic powers. i have seen nothing that convinces me he could launch a mental assault on anyone, or read the minds/wills of others. he might be resistant to psionics, and be able to control his board, he can even apparently touch minds with others and share a . . . vision. but that's lightyears away from what you were saying he might be able to do.

Where was Surfer when he showed everyone that image. Was he on or off the planet?

Originally posted by leonidas
<<What is empathy, if it is not a form of mind control? He didn't turn the Earth into his mindslaves, but he controlled what was in their minds by telepathic communication. Empathy.>>

communication is not mind control, nor is it empathy. and your interpretation may not necessarily be the only one. i don't think i explained very well what i thought was happening in that scene. i see it as ss showing the world what the earth could be like. when they saw that, each person felt peace. ss did not compel them to show peace. to me, it is akin to him showing them pictures of their loved ones. of course they'll feel love when they look at the pics, but he didn't MAKE/ CONTROL them to have that feeling. he just showed the pic and let their feelings take their natural course. the other thing - we don't know EVERYONE in the world was affected.

and that is one HELL of a leap to make from here to ss being able to look into capt marvel's mind and predict a lightning attack! no cannot possibly make that assumption based on this scene.

i stand by my assertion ss has passive telepathic powers. i have seen nothing that convinces me he could launch a mental assault on anyone, or read the minds/wills of others. he might be resistant to psionics, and be able to control his board, he can even apparently touch minds with others and share a . . . vision. but that's lightyears away from what you were saying he might be able to do.

Communication is not mind control. Empathy is. Controlling another's emotions is mind control.

So, basically you're telling me that the energy that Surfer released did not result in everyone on the Earth's emotions being changed? You're speaking directly against the narration. You're telling me that introducing everyone in the world to the same image would result in everyone feeling the same emotion? Where do you see anything that alludes to images, loved ones, or anything that you've mentioned? Everyone doesn't have loved ones. Everyone doesn't feel love.

You're coming up with all of these absurd assertions, when the proof is in the pudding. The narration states that the energy, (not 'images'😉 blanketed every man woman and child on the face of the Earth in a rapture. The energy released affected the minds and controlled the emotions on everyone on the planet.

The Surfer can use invasive telepathy as well. He did it to Hulk. His telepathy isn't as passive as you would like to believe. If his mind is powerful enough to connect with every other mind on the planet, he's more than powerful enough to go head to head with Charlie.

Charles wouldn't even be able to affect the Silver Surfer. He is unable to use telepathy on shapeshifters and intangibles. Surfer is both.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where was Surfer when he showed everyone that image. Was he on or off the planet?

Apparently he was above the Earth.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Apparently he was above the Earth.

In that case Prof X could have done the same thing. The only reason he would require Cerebros assistance on Earth is because of Magnetos manipulations of the electro-magnetic field on Earth. Prior to these manipulations Xavier in an effort to fend off the Z'Nox linked with all minds on the planet and gathered their psionic might to project at the armada. That was without Cerebro if i recall correctly.

Didnt SS use resultant quantum energies just to project an image into peoples minds. So he never did it with his own psionic might and he did it from outside the atmosphere where it would have been easier to do.

SS doesnt have the psionic skills to take Xavier in a psychic battle. It is not a power SS uses primarily.