silver surfer v prof x: BATTLE OF THE MIND

Originally posted by kgkg
but micheal Jackson uses words

SS used his cosmic power to change people feeling, all organic life.

Even the bad ones

He was able to connect with all life on earth that alone is a huge up for SS mental powers

He made them feel good, but this is not telepathy, it's empathy. Its by no means proof that he could use this in battle.

Is there any proof of surfer truly mind controlling someone?

If so, this is a trick that any good human storyteller can achieve with a wide audience.

<<Communication is not mind control. Empathy is. Controlling another's emotions is mind control.

So, basically you're telling me that the energy that Surfer released did not result in everyone on the Earth's emotions being changed? You're speaking directly against the narration. You're telling me that introducing everyone in the world to the same image would result in everyone feeling the same emotion? Where do you see anything that alludes to images, loved ones, or anything that you've mentioned? Everyone doesn't have loved ones. Everyone doesn't feel love.

You're coming up with all of these absurd assertions, when the proof is in the pudding. The narration states that the energy, (not 'images'😉 blanketed every man woman and child on the face of the Earth in a rapture. The energy released affected the minds and controlled the emotions on everyone on the planet.

The Surfer can use invasive telepathy as well. He did it to Hulk. His telepathy isn't as passive as you would like to believe. If his mind is powerful enough to connect with every other mind on the planet, he's more than powerful enough to go head to head with Charlie.

Charles wouldn't even be able to affect the Silver Surfer. He is unable to use telepathy on shapeshifters and intangibles. Surfer is both.>>

HA! I'M going against the narration??! I'M coming up with absurd assertions!? show me ANYWHERE in the narrative where it says the word MIND even one time! ss HIMSELF says 'perhaps i can SHOW the people of this world a way to help themselves'. then he opens a doorway into the quantum world and taps QUANTUM ENERGIES (not telepathic/psionic energies) and blankets the people with . . . what? that's what we're debating. i think it was a beautiful image of a peaceful world.

BUT nowhere does it say exactly WHAT he SHOWED them, but whatever it was it made them feel happy. he SHOWED them (ss words) something that made them joyous. NOWHERE does it even say he touched anyone's mind!! he blanketted them with energy and they saw what they saw. again, i believe he offered them a glimpse of a better world, and they thought it was wonderful. he didn't even use EMPATHY - he showed them and let the image speak for itself.

and i used the images of loved ones as an example - i never said he SHOWED them loved ones.

and where/when has he used this 'invasive' telepathy?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
He made them feel good, but this is not telepathy, it's empathy. Its by no means proof that he could use this in battle.

Is there any proof of surfer truly mind controlling someone?

If so, this is a trick that any good human storyteller can achieve with a wide audience.

Let&#8217;s say I don't like M Jackson.

His songs is not going to get my house rockin

SS was able to change the heart of all organic life ( a a breaif moment) and allowyed them to see the thruth

it's not really mind control but having power to effect that many minds ( on a planet with so many life)

that is a huge feat even for some like prof x

Originally posted by kgkg
Forced empathy

Let&#8217;s say I don't like M Jackson.

His songs is not going to get my house rockin

SS was able to change the heart of all organic life ( a a breaif moment) and allowyed them to see the thruth

it's not really mind control but having power to effect that many minds ( on a planet with so many life)

that is a huge feat even for some like prof x

Reading more into this...It seems like Leo is right.
It says in the panel "resultant energies" what type of energy is it? It doesnt say anything about psychic.

Until I see further proof, this is nothing more than the equivalent of a cosmic woodstock.

I want to see actual mind control.

<<SS was able to change the heart of all organic life>>

that's just it kg - he DIDN'T change their hearts. he offered them something, showed them something. that 'something' he showed them was enough to let them know peace. he didn't FORCE peace on them, didn't in anyway CONTROL them to know peace, didn't even imbue them with HIS OWN sense of peace (as would be the case with empathy) he merely offered them a picture (at least imho it was a picture or image) of what a beautiful world could be and let the image speak for itself.

and he used quantum energy to do this, not psychic/telepathic.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<SS was able to change the heart of all organic life>>

that's just it kg - he DIDN'T change their hearts. he offered them something, showed them something. that 'something' he showed them was enough to let them know peace. he didn't FORCE peace on them, didn't in anyway CONTROL them to know peace, didn't even imbue them with HIS OWN sense of peace (as would be the case with empathy) he merely offered them a picture (at least imho it was a picture or image) of what a beautiful world could be and let the image speak for itself.

and he used quantum energy to do this, not psychic/telepathic.

I think Leo is right as usual😄

ah, shucks . . . 😮

thanks whirly! 😄

Mind controlling someone against their will is not in Surfer's character. Regardless, effecting the mind of every being on Earth is impressive and presently out of Prof X's league without Cerebro. This doesnt mean X woulnd beat SS in this contest, but I think a lot of u r hating on SS as usual.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Mind controlling someone against their will is not in Surfer's character. Regardless, effecting the mind of every being on Earth is impressive and presently out of Prof X's league without Cerebro. This doesnt mean X woulnd beat SS in this contest, but I think a lot of u r hating on SS as usual.

Wynndar didnt u read my post? SS linked with all those minds from outside the atmosphere so he was beyond Mags manipulations. Prior to Mags' manipulations Prof X linked with all of earths people and gathered their psionic might to fight an alien armada.

Do u really think it has to be THAT literal? Do u think that writer was even aware of the MAgneto/Prof X conflict? I doubt it and just think it was a coincidence. Regardless, was Prof X actually MIND CONTROLLING anyone in that example?

<<Mind controlling someone against their will is not in Surfer's character. Regardless, effecting the mind of every being on Earth is impressive and presently out of Prof X's league without Cerebro. This doesnt mean X woulnd beat SS in this contest, but I think a lot of u r hating on SS as usual.>>

more importantly than gs' post, did you/have you even read the issue we're discussing? if you did, perhaps YOU can tell me where it mentions he used ANY sort of mental discipline to do what he did, (as opposed to the quantum energies it states plainly he used) or perhaps YOU can tell me where it says ANYTHING about ANYBODY'S MIND being touched or in anyway affected by the surfer directly, as opposed to them being affected by what they were shown. if you read the issue and can clear these things up for me, i'd appreciate it.

if you HAVEN'T read it, keep you're hatin' comments to yourself.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Do u really think it has to be THAT literal? Do u think that writer was even aware of the MAgneto/Prof X conflict? I doubt it and just think it was a coincidence. Regardless, was Prof X actually MIND CONTROLLING anyone in that example?

No Prof X linked with all of those minds and harnessed their psionic energy. SS on the other hand used resultant quantum energies to place an image in peoples minds. So not only was that not through psionic might, but it was also from outside the atmosphere where psionic power isnt inhibited and just placing an image in thoe minds isnt as impressive as harnessing the combined power of all of those minds.

Well I dont think anyone on here makes sure they own and thoroughly read every issue and comic book event that they make a comment on. Thats ridiculous to imply. I can make an assesment based on what I know and what Ive seen. Dont get mad just cuz I dont agree with u. Anyway, I wasnt drawing any rock hard conclusions about anything, I even suggested Prof X would win.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No Prof X linked with all of those minds and harnessed their psionic energy. SS on the other hand used resultant quantum energies to place an image in peoples minds. So not only was that not through psionic might, but it was also from outside the atmosphere where psionic power isnt inhibited and just placing an image in thoe minds isnt as impressive as harnessing the combined power of all of those minds.

Yea, that makes sense and I agree.

dude, you implied by your comment that i was hater just because i was going against ss, here. i just disagree with some people's interpretation of the scene we're discussing. you can't fairly comment on it if your haven't read it is all. no worries.

I didnt say anything about u personally Leo...that is ridiculous. I didnt even pay particular attention to anything u said. I was noticing all the people on the first page who dismissed the idea of SS even giving Prof X a fight. I hardly interpreted the scene either. I talked about the character of the surfer...and I also suggested X would win.

<<I didnt say anything about u personally Leo...that is ridiculous. I didnt even pay particular attention to anything u said. I was noticing all the people on the first page who dismissed the idea of SS even giving Prof X a fight. I hardly interpreted the scene either. I talked about the character of the surfer...and I also suggested X would win.>>

cool, then. 'pologies for comin' down harder than i should have.

Those "resultant energies could be the equivalent to a worldwide hookah hit. Think about it: everybody's all at peace and happy and loving one another and crap...Surfer could have affected them biologically, not necessarily psychically...

I'm not saying that I believe it, but it could happen...

I think wynndar was just commenting on the anti-surfer comments that are around in this forum. Well, it isn't anti-surfer it's just his balls get busted a lot.
Don't think he was saying you personally were biased.

I think the extent of Surfer mental abilities are quasi-offensive at best, but normally very passive.

<<I think wynndar was just commenting on the anti-surfer comments that are around in this forum. Well, it isn't anti-surfer it's just his balls get busted a lot.
Don't think he was saying you personally were biased.
I think the extent of Surfer mental abilities are quasi-offensive at best>>

in retrospect, i agee with you. he just posted right after me, so . . . 😮

anyways, nice to see you agree with ME for a change. 🙂