Originally posted by Darth Windu
What? Yoda couldn't dream of beating Sidious? And Revan can barely beat Yoda? Yoda would out up a fight against either of them, sure. But so far, the only point the DE-supporters have come up with is his Force Storm. Big whup. Revan controlled a SUN. Emperor Revan has a thousand reasons, none of which I feel I need to type up. You HIGHLY underestimate Revan, and RIDICULOUSLY overestimate Sidious.
Since when did Revan control an f***ing SUN? He contorlled the Star Forge which is mot the same thing!
Besides, Sidious is not an Anchient Sith, they died with Naga Sadow, like how the Mandalorians died at Malachor V.
first off all i want to say something that i meght even start a new post for. big whoop revan controlled a star. you don't need great power to do that. all you need to do is steal rakatan technology and a couple credits and boom you got a machine that controls stars for you. secound of all i want to help darth somebody out with some statements. some people say that sidiuos is a bad dueler but only strong with the force. yet they got no facts. name one duel that sidiuos lost. stop thinking there is none. he beat yoda which is the highest ranked jedi at the time. there is no effedence that states that sidiuos dueling power is weak. in fact it is posible but unlikely that is dueling power is stronger then his force power. there is no evidence.
According to the versus forums, Yoda could give Revan a run for his money. And it is my belief that Dark Empire Sidious is beyond Yoda by a mile. So if that were the case, he would probably be able to defeat Revan as well. But notice I said probably and Dark Empire Sidious. I doubt ROTS one could stop him.
I dont know a ton about DE Sidious, so I won't go into this too much. Is he only in comics or is he in any of the books. All I have about him is in the Essential Guides. I do know that he was killed by Han Solo. Seeing as that's all I know, I don't really have a lot of respect for him.
And on another note. Earlier, Koroni, you said that the Sith died with Naga Sadow and the Mandalorians died at Malacor V. Both are incorect. The Mandalorians were still around in the movie-era.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
According to the versus forums, Yoda could give Revan a run for his money. And it is my belief that Dark Empire Sidious is beyond Yoda by a mile. So if that were the case, he would probably be able to defeat Revan as well. But notice I said probably and Dark Empire Sidious. I doubt ROTS one could stop him.
Two things:
- Since when is the general concensus of the versus forum basis for one's ability?
- How is DE Sidious better then ROTS Sidious besides the Force storm?
Originally posted by Darth Koroni
Since when did Revan control an f***ing SUN? He contorlled the Star Forge which is mot the same thing!Besides, Sidious is not an Anchient Sith, they died with Naga Sadow, like how the Mandalorians died at Malachor V.
Revan did control a sun because he was one of the few people powerful enough to master the Star Forge. The only other person that we know of who was able to do this was Malak. Sion and Nhilis(god this guy's name is a pain to spell) did not have the power to acomplish such a feat. Also, Revan could be considered an ancient Sith because he was around 4,000 years before the era of the movies.
Originally posted by darthrevan89But he didn't actually CONTROL the sun, like Sadow did, he just siphoned off energy. And 4000 years is a period of time in which one could be called Ancient, but I think he was referring to the Ancient RACE of Sith.
Revan did control a sun because he was one of the few people powerful enough to master the Star Forge. The only other person that we know of who was able to do this was Malak. Sion and Nhilis(god this guy's name is a pain to spell) did not have the power to acomplish such a feat. Also, Revan could be considered an ancient Sith because he was around 4,000 years before the era of the movies.
Originally posted by Tangible God
But he didn't actually CONTROL the sun, like Sadow did, he just siphoned off energy. And 4000 years is a period of time in which one could be called Ancient, but I think he was referring to the Ancient RACE of Sith.
You make a good point, I should have phrased myself better...Revan did not control a sun perhaps, but through the use of the Star Forge he gained access to the power of a sun. Yes, while he did it using the Star Forge it took an incredible amount of power to do so.
In terms of ancient Sith I agree with you there. Although I myself do not make a very large distinction between "True" Sith and "New" Sith; new as in those after Naga Sadow. They both hold on same set of beliefs. I have very little respect for the Sith from Darth Bane on since they all seem like cowards.
Originally posted by darthrevan89That's true. I've only ever like Bane because of the theory of him being the first to use Darth, but other than that, most of his line were just pussies.
You make a good point, I should have phrased myself better...Revan did not control a sun perhaps, but through the use of the Star Forge he gained access to the power of a sun. Yes, while he did it using the Star Forge it took an incredible amount of power to do so.In terms of ancient Sith I agree with you there. Although I myself do not make a very large distinction between "True" Sith and "New" Sith; new as in those after Naga Sadow. They both hold on same set of beliefs. I have very little respect for the Sith from Darth Bane on since they all seem like cowards.
Originally posted by Darth Somebody
1. True. You have a point. In truth, I suppose your opinions - however stated - are like mine in the end. Not always right.2. He's stronger, quicker, and I'd imagine able to perform talents such as the Force Storm and the use of his Force-powers seem to be stronger. Notice I said 'seem'.
That's EU for ya. The villains and heroes always seem stronger; you'd think that dying would make Palpatine less powerful but no, they ruin your image of the maniacal Palpatine of the movies...