hulk needed to be augmented in a way by jean to be able to do that...he' would die before hitting that kind of peak anger in a fight with doomsday....doomsday secretes poision from his claws...enough to wear down supes..it would definitely slow down hulk's regenerative factor.......that's the only edge dd needs...not only that but he fights as fast as flash...hulk doesn't do that...
Originally posted by jinzin
hulk needed to be augmented in a way by jean to be able to do that...he' would die before hitting that kind of peak anger in a fight with doomsday....doomsday secretes poision from his claws...enough to wear down supes..it would definitely slow down hulk's regenerative factor.......that's the only edge dd needs...not only that but he fights as fast as flash...hulk doesn't do that...
Hulk has attained far higher levels of strength than Onslaught-beating level without any assistance. He's virtually immortal, as well. Hulk would crush Doomsday.
Hulk is immune to all poisons.
Originally posted by jinzin
she allowed hulk to reach the pinacle of his rage in order to secure the correct amount of strength....he doesn't do that in normal fights...
Jean shut out Banner's personality, making Savage Hulk Mindless. Hulk has been far, far stronnger than Onslaught beating level. Hulk has demonstrated infinite strength, at the spurr of a moment. He can gain any amount of strength in any length of time.
how is hulk immune to all poisions....but still brought down by gas....his regenerative factor has to have a limit somewhere for that to work.....he's never had to face poisions like doomsdays.....
doomsday IS immortal......and can adapt to any kind of attack given time....hulk can't......
I don't think we an compare onslughts durability to planetoids, or gravity machines....I mean the only test he had was against hulk and we know that jean helped him out.....it's not an entirely accurate assessment to make comparisons when there is no other factor to compare one to except hulk...who's proven MUCH inconsistancy in his strength and durability...
Sleeping gas isn't poison, is it? Hulk is immune to all poisons. His regeneration has NO limit. He has reformed his body from scattered molecules, like an Eternal. Doomsdays poisons are doing nothing.
Hulk can always become stronger, and more durable.
Compare Onslaught's physical form to the Wall of the Flame of Life. It's Deviant technology, and it held up against the physical assaults of Celestials, without a scratch. Hulk ripped it apart in seconds.
Compare Hulk's strength to the combined strength of every other superhero on Earth who tried to destroy Onslaught, and failed.
Durability? Hulk shakes off planet busting shots to the chest. He took the heat of the star engine, which is several times hotter than a Supernova.
Tell me when Hulk has ever been 'too weak' to do anything. Inconsistency? Where?
Hulk can take blanet busting shots...hulk gets staggered by a rock falling on his head....inconsistancy.....
had dd ever been too weak to do something?
what kind of argument is that?
doomsday takes blanet busting shots....
so what?
dd regenrated from being completely vaporized.....
again...so what?
again....you're stating some impressive things....none of which however are anything doomsday either hasn't done...or can't handle.....
doomsday adapts to anything that kills him...guess what already killed him?
you know...IRON MAN koed hulk.....can doomsday not?
the hulk argument doesn't matter. we're talking dd and thanos. there have been several incarnations of dd but the hunter/prey one is by far the strongest i've seen. as jinzin has said, dd has been shown wiping out the ENTIRE gl corps!! he's also wiped out an entire planet and not just some 'alien army'! he defeated the quardian who was created especially to defeat him and was an ENERGY being. he was EASILY and VASTLY superior to a new god enhanced superman, and he has cut the man of steel and would cut thanos as well. jinzin said it very well - thanos is leary of taking hulk h2h. and don't forget - when he first fought supes, he actually became STRONGER as the fight went on, adapting DURING the fight. IF thanos starts stronger than him (and i don't think he does) what's to keep dd from matching him during the fight? not only that, the other thing that might serve dd as an advantage is dd's sheer savagery. thanos fights 'heroes'. it's unlikely he will have met someone like dd. dd is an animal that WILL NOT QUIT. dd at his peak would give thanos hell, and in an adamantium cage with no gadgets or preconceived plans i could certainly see dd taking thanos out. i believe this would truly be an awesome fight.
ps-that showing against tyrant is utterly irrelevent. had thanos not been boosted by the power he stole from tyrant, he would have had his ass handed to him just like the others. even WITH the stolen power, tyrant was too much for him.
Originally posted by jinzin
Hulk can take blanet busting shots...hulk gets staggered by a rock falling on his head....inconsistancy.....had dd ever been too weak to do something?
what kind of argument is that?
doomsday takes blanet busting shots....
so what?
dd regenrated from being completely vaporized.....
again...so what?
again....you're stating some impressive things....none of which however are anything doomsday either hasn't done...or can't handle.....
doomsday adapts to anything that kills him...guess what already killed him?
you know...IRON MAN koed hulk.....can doomsday not?
Hulk has several different incarnations. Hulk can get stabbed by Wolverine (😘,) or knocked out by Doc Ock, in different incarnations. The name "The Hulk" referrs to (quite literally,) hundreds of different characters.
Doomsday adapts to whatever defeated him? For some reason, I recall Superman defeating Doomsday twice, using the same tactics. Maybe I'm imagining things. 😬
Apparently, Doomsday adapts to the levels of strength that defeated him. Not physical attacks in general.
Iron Man used the Hulk's energy against him, and it occurred in his comics. 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
the hulk argument doesn't matter. we're talking dd and thanos. there have been several incarnations of dd but the hunter/prey one is by far the strongest i've seen. as jinzin has said, dd has been shown wiping out the ENTIRE gl corps!! he's also wiped out an entire planet and not just some 'alien army'! he defeated the quardian who was created especially to defeat him and was an ENERGY being. he was EASILY and VASTLY superior to a new god enhanced superman, and he has cut the man of steel and would cut thanos as well. jinzin said it very well - thanos is leary of taking hulk h2h. and don't forget - when he first fought supes, he actually became STRONGER as the fight went on, adapting DURING the fight. IF thanos starts stronger than him (and i don't think he does) what's to keep dd from matching him during the fight? not only that, the other thing that might serve dd as an advantage is dd's sheer savagery. thanos fights 'heroes'. it's unlikely he will have met someone like dd. dd is an animal that WILL NOT QUIT. dd at his peak would give thanos hell, and in an adamantium cage with no gadgets or preconceived plans i could certainly see dd taking thanos out. i believe this would truly be an awesome fight.ps-that showing against tyrant is utterly irrelevent. had thanos not been boosted by the power he stole from tyrant, he would have had his ass handed to him just like the others. even WITH the stolen power, tyrant was too much for him.
Which makes one wonder... was DOS simply hype? I have a VERY hard time believing that Hal Jordan would lose to Doomsday. But, all of the lanterns? Including, John, Guy, Kyle, and the thousands of other GL's? PIS, anyone?
Limitless possibilities, but no way to stop DD?
<<Iron Man used the Hulk's energy against him, and it occurred in his comics.>>
nah, im threw a truck at him and hulk swatted it out of the air with a JET!! the explosion momentarily stunned hulk and tony blew all the circuits in his armor to increase his strength to the max then WHAMMO - he turned hulk's lights out. and that was with the classic armor. (ironic that he could ko savage hulk in the classic armor but in the hulkbuster armor, best he could do was stalemate prof hulk . . .)
<<that's probably because you didn't read doomdsay wars..... but>>
was he tougher in that series? and what books did it run through? there's a convention headed my way in 2 weeks, maybe i'll look it up. btw, how's things?
superman's beat him with brute strength....tore him apart by placing him at the end of time via plot device.....and watched as imperiex vaporized him.....aside from that as leonidas said, the radiant a pure energy being brought him down once.....darksieds omega beams at full force did NOTHING...I repeat NOTHING to dd....could the hulk say the same?
technically if he recovered from the end of all things he should be immune to EVERYTHING........
supes beat up doomsday rex...who is a somewhat different character alltogether....even then d-rex is now not a pussy like he once was...unless taking down an army of 300 cogs is something a pussy can do.....or waging a 100 year war against an endless amount of cogs.....(a single battle that lasted a 100 years....even cog reffered to him as a monster a harbinger of death).......does hulk have the stamina to last 100 years? can he hope to beat a creature that constantly adapts?
I don't think so....
the only hulk feats to be used are the one supporting your arguments? that's weak...I guess hulk feats in hulk comics shouldn't count either because it happened in his comic huh?
well then I guess crossovers can be the only accurate account huh?
well then....hulk bashed away at superman in a crossover...superman just stood there taking shot after shot after shot without so much as a flinch......he tried that against dd and got clobbered...
he adapts to the level of strength that he was defeated by? since when...you won't find that stated in any book dd's in that's for damned sure...just a myth that started on these boards that I've been too lazy to stop.....until now...
Originally posted by leonidas
<<Iron Man used the Hulk's energy against him, and it occurred in his comics.>>nah, im threw a truck at him and hulk swatted it out of the air with a JET!! the explosion momentarily stunned hulk and tony blew all the circuits in his armor to increase his strength to the max then WHAMMO - he turned hulk's lights out. and that was with the classic armor. (ironic that he could ko savage hulk in the classic armor but in the hulkbuster armor, best he could do was stalemate prof hulk . . .)
<<that's probably because you didn't read doomdsay wars..... but>>
was he tougher in that series? and what books did it run through? there's a convention headed my way in 2 weeks, maybe i'll look it up. btw, how's things?
well he beat up wonder woman, martian manhunter, orion with mother box, huntress, flash, plastic man, green lantern, at once and then got to clobbering superman all over again.......i don't know which comics...sorry...I only have the hardcover...
things are decent..I'm about to go back to school...and not too soon I may add.....not that I don't love my fam..but man...I've just had enough of them...lol.....and work's kinda suckin...the other day at the hospital the sewage system backed up into the entire basement....it was bad.......
lol
anywho...how goes things with you?
<<he adapts to the level of strength that he was defeated by? since when...you won't find that stated in any book dd's in that's for damned sure...just a myth that started on these boards that I've been too lazy to stop.....until now...>>
heheh. bravo. i had always wondered where that idea came from. i assumed it was in some book i'd missed. apparently not . . . 🙂
So, sentience took away all the invulnerability Doomsday had gained? Doomsday was unstoppable because he didn't feel pain. Suddenly the ability to feel pain took away all of his invulnerability?
Hulk has limitless stamina. No, he's never fought for hundreds of years.
Never said that it wasn't canon. Iron Man was weakening Hulk before he did that. It still took all of his power to do it.
Crossover? 😬 That was pre-crisis Superman. Superman took a total of two punches from Hulk, blocked another, and then used his superseed to destroy the device that was making Hulk angry. Hulk had punched Supes clear out of metropolis in the same crossover. Hulk and Doomsday fought in a crossover? When?
Doomsday does not become completely immune to every form of attack that he encounters. I mean, if The Presence kills Doomday, will he become the new God?
<<things are decent..I'm about to go back to school...and not too soon I may add.....not that I don't love my fam..but man...I've just had enough of them...lol.....and work's kinda suckin...the other day at the hospital the sewage system backed up into the entire basement....it was bad.......>>
HA! and i thought i had it bad because for my vacation i've had the kids all day everyday while mom's at work! hey, waitaminute, i DO have it bad . . . 🙂
things are good. 1 month left of summer vacation then it's back to school for me too - teaching though, i'm done with all that 'learning' jazz.
and thanks for the info on dd wars. maybe i'll see if i can check it out anyway. sounds cool. unlike a lot of people on the forum, i've always kinda liked dd. i wonder if the anti-dd sentiment is because this is mostly a pro-marvel board?
Originally posted by leonidas
<<he adapts to the level of strength that he was defeated by? since when...you won't find that stated in any book dd's in that's for damned sure...just a myth that started on these boards that I've been too lazy to stop.....until now...>>heheh. bravo. i had always wondered where that idea came from. i assumed it was in some book i'd missed. apparently not . . . 🙂
It's only logical... 😕