Doomsday vs Thanos

Originally posted by leonidas
<<he adapts to the level of strength that he was defeated by? since when...you won't find that stated in any book dd's in that's for damned sure...just a myth that started on these boards that I've been too lazy to stop.....until now...>>

heheh. bravo. i had always wondered where that idea came from. i assumed it was in some book i'd missed. apparently not . . . 🙂

seriously....I mean damn....I only have oh I don't know....ALL OF EM....and that's never been stated...

people just got the wrong idea about what he can or can't do because of the whole sentient doomsday thing in supes 175..... doomsday rex is as different a character from doomsday as grey hulk is from savage hulk....the MAJOR difference is that he can be effectively KOed having a decent brain to rattle in that noggin of his instead of just bruising through it as before........but still.....not killed.....

<<It's only logical... >>

it seems that way until he does things like come back from the end of everything and regenerate from imperiex destroying him. i always wondered why he wasn't more powerful after these things happened to him. is there a limit to his evolution? like you said, it's not like if the presence killed him he would come back to be god. still some things to learn about ole dd, methinks.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It's only logical... 😕

"it's only logical"......if people are too scared to admit a guy like doomsday can take their character despite the fact that he's ridiculously overpowered, thus depowering him to a level that said character stand a chance against.....sorry but this hasn't been proven...nor stated...it's just made up.....hell I even remember the night somebody made the ****er up.....ironically enough in a hulk vs. dd thread....

Originally posted by leonidas
<<It's only logical... >>

it seems that way until he does things like come back from the end of everything and regenerate from imperiex destroying him. i always wondered why he wasn't more powerful after these things happened to him. is there a limit to his evolution? like you said, it's not like if the presence killed him he would come back to be god. still some things to learn about ole dd, methinks.

i truly don't think that their IS a limit to his evolution...I mean he was dubbed "the ultimate" for a reason...if he simply ciesed to exist I don't know how he could come back....but since he kept doing it at the end of time...It's not out of his character's ability to do.....so who knows.....

the writers were at fault for making him weaker by becoming sentient...but as I said before..he's adapted to that now...become stronger...like before...but now he's also a hero.... I can see him gaining understanding and appreciation for things....becoming the equivolent to the JLU cartoons amazo did..if he ever became a god...

a hero, eh? interesting . . .

and between what you've told me and what i already knew, i SERIOUSLY think he would score some win over thanos.

Originally posted by jinzin
"it's only logical"......if people are too scared to admit a guy like doomsday can take their character despite the fact that he's ridiculously overpowered, thus depowering him to a level that said character stand a chance against.....sorry but this hasn't been proven...nor stated...it's just made up.....hell I even remember the night somebody made the ****er up.....ironically enough in a hulk vs. dd thread....

Not Depowering anyone. If anything, you're seriously undercutting Hulk. Where was it stated that Doomsday does become totally immune to the form of attack that killed him? Is that just an assumption of yours?

Where was it stated that Sentient Doomsday actually lost power as a result of his sentience? Another assumption?

Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk exist at the same time. Non-sentient Doomsday is no more. Big difference. 😉

yep...heroic dd.....actually was inspired by supes....and led the league of supermen....or the superman corps (i don't remember which) wearing some super undies and a cape...it was kinda cute....even though he was killing everything in sight.....

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Not Depowering anyone. If anything, you're seriously undercutting Hulk. Where was it stated that Doomsday does become totally immune to the form of attack that killed him? Is that just an assumption of yours?

Where was it stated that Sentient Doomsday actually lost power as a result of his sentience? Another assumption?

Grey Hulk and Savage Hulk exist at the same time. Non-sentient Doomsday is no more. Big difference. 😉

"you can't kill me the same way twice"

and DURING his fight with superman in supes 175.... it was stated that his fear of death was brought upon by sentience....sentience also made him aware of his pain....it weakened his character....

and no there is no difference in the point I was making.....doomsday>>>>>>>doomsday rex.

hulk>>>>>mr. fixit.

they are entirely different...doomsday does not breath fire....d-rex does......I don't see anywhere where it say doomsday rex on this thread header...do you?

Originally posted by jinzin
i truly don't think that their IS a limit to his evolution...I mean he was dubbed "the ultimate" for a reason...if he simply ciesed to exist I don't know how he could come back....but since he kept doing it at the end of time...It's not out of his character's ability to do.....so who knows.....

the writers were at fault for making him weaker by becoming sentient...but as I said before..he's adapted to that now...become stronger...like before...but now he's also a hero.... I can see him gaining understanding and appreciation for things....becoming the equivolent to the JLU cartoons amazo did..if he ever became a god...

Unless it was stated that there is NOT one, why assume that the limit does not exist? In theory, your Doomsday would be totally undefeatable, which apparently isn't the case..

Originally posted by jinzin
"you can't kill me the same way twice"

Nothing stops the Juggernaut!

The Invincible Iron Man!

The Amazing Spider Man!

<<Unless it was stated that there is NOT one, why assume that the limit does not exist? In theory, your Doomsday would be totally undefeatable, which apparently isn't the case..>.

this is the problem i've had with dd as well. i'm not sure WHAT the answer is . . . 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
"you can't kill me the same way twice"

and DURING his fight with superman in supes 175.... it was stated that his fear of death was brought upon by sentience....sentience also made him aware of his pain....it weakened his character....

and no there is no difference in the point I was making.....doomsday>>>>>>>doomsday rex.

hulk>>>>>mr. fixit.

they are entirely different...doomsday does not breath fire....d-rex does......I don't see anywhere where it say doomsday rex on this thread header...do you?

It was NOT stated that sentience weakened him. It said that it made him feel pain, and fear death. Never was it said that his durability was reduced, or that his physical invulnerability was a result of his lack of sentience. Like I said, assumption. Non-sentient Doomsday is no more.

Savage Hulk and Mr. Fixit are different people. Sentient Doomsday is the same Doomsday, with sentience.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Unless it was stated that there is NOT one, why assume that the limit does not exist? In theory, your Doomsday would be totally undefeatable, which apparently isn't the case..

a limit to what he can regenerate from has nothing to do with what already killed him...you're missing the point big time on that one....

but since you attacked the notion I had no intention of making..... we know that hulk's strength is arguably unlimited to we not?

have we seen him show unlimited strength? no not really...I mean he WAS struggling with that mountain in secret wars...he was buckling under it's weight....so obviously he has a limit right? you see....simply because we have yet to see the well known ability of a character be put into motion does not mean that the character does not have the ability when they have been stated repeatedly to have it.....follow?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Nothing stops the Juggernaut!

The Invincible Iron Man!

The Amazing Spider Man!

ummmm have you seen juggy stopped when he puts it into high gear?

and the titles of a character are different than the ability of a character..not much of a point there..you're clearly grasping..

You're bouncing around like a rubber ball. We weren't talking about "what Doomsday could regenerate." We were talking about what he is immune to.

It has been stated, time and time again, that the Hulk's strength is unlimited. Has the same been stated of Doomsday's ability to adapt?

Actually, we have seen Hulk demonstrate unlimited strength. When he resisted the matter anti-matter attraction, he displayed infinite strength.

He has several other feats that speak of his boundless strength.

Originally posted by jinzin
a limit to what he can regenerate from has nothing to do with what already killed him...you're missing the point big time on that one....

but since you attacked the notion I had no intention of making..... we know that hulk's strength is arguably unlimited to we not?

have we seen him show unlimited strength? no not really...I mean he WAS struggling with that mountain in secret wars...he was buckling under it's weight....so obviously he has a limit right? you see....simply because we have yet to see the well known ability of a character be put into motion does not mean that the character does not have the ability when they have been stated repeatedly to have it.....follow?

I agree with you. Having "unlimited" strength would mean Hulk could fight a wielder of the Power gem toe to toe easily physically.

Originally posted by jinzin
ummmm have you seen juggy stopped when he puts it into high gear?

and the titles of a character are different than the ability of a character..not much of a point there..you're clearly grasping..

Thor did it. Savage Hulk did it. War Hulk did it. It was said to be impossible. Obviously, it isn't.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
It was NOT stated that sentience weakened him. It said that it made him feel pain, and fear death. Never was it said that his durability was reduced, or that his physical invulnerability was a result of his lack of sentience. Like I said, assumption. Non-sentient Doomsday is no more.

Savage Hulk and Mr. Fixit are different people. Sentient Doomsday is the same Doomsday, with sentience.

I don't think you get it, it didn't have to be shown as it was PROVEN when his punches couldn't hurt superman muchless make him budge, then again when superman case in his ribs or punched his lights out....superman couldn't do it before using all his strength, and he couldn't do it again using a new god enhancement...that's a sign that an otherwise super strong and durable character was significantly reduced to make him less threatening.....

hulk and mr. fixit are different people in the mental sense..they still have the same body (banner's)......just as while sentient dd and nonsentient dd share the same body they are completely different as well.....

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thor did it. Savage Hulk did it. War Hulk did it. It was said to be impossible. Obviously, it isn't.

against juggy in high gear force shield and all......

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I agree with you. Having "unlimited" strength would mean Hulk could fight a wielder of the Power gem toe to toe easily physically.

The weilder of the power gem has unlimited strength too. And unlimited durability. And force blasts. And control over the aspect of Power.

Hulk has strength that never stops increasing, and has no limit to how much it can increase.