Originally posted by jinzin
against juggy in high gear force shield and all......
Thor stopped him, in "high gear" (whatever that is,) and with his force field up.
According to his power, he doesn't have to be in "high gear" or whatever you're talking about. He simply has to walk forward.
Juggy has been stopped by all of these, while moving forward.
What exactly is "high gear"?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The weilder of the power gem has unlimited strength too. And unlimited durability. And force blasts. And control over the aspect of Power.Hulk has strength that never stops increasing, and has no limit to how much it can increase.
I'm fully aware of the Power Gems abilities, but do you believe if someone with the power gem only used the strength aspect...that they and the Hulk would be even?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You're bouncing around like a rubber ball. We weren't talking about "what Doomsday could regenerate." We were talking about what he is immune to.It has been stated, time and time again, that the Hulk's strength is unlimited. Has the same been stated of Doomsday's ability to adapt?
Actually, we have seen Hulk demonstrate unlimited strength. When he resisted the matter anti-matter attraction, he displayed infinite strength.
He has several other feats that speak of his boundless strength.
actually I understand quite well what we are debating go back you started this pointless argument because you assumed that dd has a limit to his evolution......until proven otherwise there is no way to back up that claim
you don't get it...there is no way to gage his strength as "unlimited" because there is no way to say that this feat proves he is unlimited in strength.....you can only assume that his limits were not met by this specific obstacle......
in the same token we can't assume dd's ability to adapt and become immune as a limit because we have yet to see anything that can permanently put him down.....
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think you get it, it didn't have to be shown as it was PROVEN when his punches couldn't hurt superman muchless make him budge, then again when superman case in his ribs or punched his lights out....superman couldn't do it before using all his strength, and he couldn't do it again using a new god enhancement...that's a sign that an otherwise super strong and durable character was significantly reduced to make him less threatening.....hulk and mr. fixit are different people in the mental sense..they still have the same body (banner's)......just as while sentient dd and nonsentient dd share the same body they are completely different as well.....
Superman was 'vibrating through' (or possibly dodging, depends on how you veiw the art,) Doomsday's punches and attacks. Doomsday wouldn't budge, when he was non-sentient, because he couldn't feel Superman's attacks.
Fixit and Savage Hulk don't share the same body.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You're bouncing around like a rubber ball. We weren't talking about "what Doomsday could regenerate." We were talking about what he is immune to.It has been stated, time and time again, that the Hulk's strength is unlimited. Has the same been stated of Doomsday's ability to adapt?
Actually, we have seen Hulk demonstrate unlimited strength. When he resisted the matter anti-matter attraction, he displayed infinite strength.
He has several other feats that speak of his boundless strength.
Just to answer you adaptation question:
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thor stopped him, in "high gear" (whatever that is,) and with his force field up.According to his power, he doesn't have to be in "high gear" or whatever you're talking about. He simply has to walk forward.
Juggy has been stopped by all of these, while moving forward.
What exactly is "high gear"?
juggernaught using energy blasts, his force sheild, and punching through demensional walls....
point is, even if they could do this it is highly irrelevent......why because you've proven that juggy can't do something he always otherwise proves he can do.....HOWEVER...you have not been able to successfully prove that dd is incapable of doing something he's been stated to be able to do....
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman was 'vibrating through' (or possibly dodging, depends on how you veiw the art,) Doomsday's punches and attacks. Doomsday wouldn't budge, when he was non-sentient, because he couldn't feel Superman's attacks.Fixit and Savage Hulk don't share the same body.
he couldn't feel the attacks because he had no pain receptors to "feel" with.....superman cut doomsday's torso nearly in half....there were NO nerves, blood, or internal organs....no significant brain to KO....nothing to gain a physical advantage.....all of the sudden dd "feels" pain? how? Pain receptors, nerves, a sentient brain....... he became depowered in his evolution...he devolved....
answer me this.....do fixit and savage hulk both revert back to banner?
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I'm fully aware of the Power Gems abilities, but do you believe if someone with the power gem only used the strength aspect...that they and the Hulk would be even?
The Power Gem doesn't cause it's wielder's strength to increase geometrically with no limit, like the Hulk's power does. It give's its weilder infinite strength, making them strong enough to do anything that they can concieve.
Savage Hulk is as strong as he imagines himself to be, making him strong enough to do anything, even if it allows him to output infinite strength. Stan Lee confirmed this.
It's unclear.
IMHO, the Hulk would be just below the Power Gem, in terms of strength, because he needs a stimulus.
Originally posted by jinzin
he couldn't feel the attacks because he had no pain receptors to "feel" with.....superman cut doomsday's torso nearly in half....there were NO nerves, blood, or internal organs....no significant brain to KO....nothing to gain a physical advantage.....all of the sudden dd "feels" pain? how? Pain receptors, nerves, a sentient brain....... he became depowered in his evolution...he devolved....answer me this.....do fixit and savage hulk both revert back to banner?
Sentience caused him to grow nerves and a brain? Strange. I could have sworn that he had a non sentient brain. How does he achieve locomotion without nerves?
So, evolution can be a bad thing. 😉 de-evolution is not the applicable term. de-evolution does not necessarily mean "becoming worse." Actually, the term "evolution" doesn't even apply to an individual. An individual adapts. A species evolves.
Banner's body is not the Hulk's body. The Hulk's body comes from a presumably extra-dimensional source. Each Hulk has it's own body. They share the same mind, but they don't share the same brain, or the same personality.
So, does non-sentient Doomsday still exist?
he did have a non sentient brain...notice....I used the words.....no significant brain..... after becoming sentient...KOing him became an option......
I have a theory that his de-evolution was merely the next step....I could get into it but it would take longer than I care to post about right now....and to be frank I'm not sure if I can put my theory into words that well......
non sentient doomsday does exist....however...he's significantly stronger and more durable than he previously was......confident in his ability to kill superman once again.....
now I answered your quetion....you answer mine....do fixit and savage hulk both revert to banner?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Which means that he can evolve past an enemy, as Darkseid stated. Not that he can evolve past any form of attack, and any magnitude thereof.
you don't even know what the enemy was....hint hint..pure energy being...if he was able to make himself inpervious to a being of pure energy, energy would no longer effect him....AND IT DIDN'T.
now I understand why you are continuing to debate such an uphill argument however....
Originally posted by jinzin
he did have a non sentient brain...notice....I used the words.....no significant brain..... after becoming sentient...KOing him became an option......I have a theory that his de-evolution was merely the next step....I could get into it but it would take longer than I care to post about right now....and to be frank I'm not sure if I can put my theory into words that well......
non sentient doomsday does exist....however...he's significantly stronger and more durable than he previously was......confident in his ability to kill superman once again.....
now I answered your quetion....you answer mine....do fixit and savage hulk both revert to banner?
No significant brain? Explain the context of the word "significant." Was it present?
Non-sentient Doomsday exists? Where?
Obvious answer.
i'm curious jinzin - do you think that dd can beat imperiex now? that's sort of what av's scan (which is from hunter/prey, btw, and is the aspect of dd that has always confused me) implies doesn't it? and if your answer is 'no', then doesn't that imply a limit to what dd can 'evolve' into and in essence grant the 'proof' you're looking for from cube regarding dd's ability to adapt without limit?
Originally posted by jinzin
you don't even know what the enemy was....hint hint..pure energy being...if he was able to make himself inpervious to a being of pure energy, energy would no longer effect him....AND IT DIDN'T.now I understand why you are continuing to debate such an uphill argument however....
I didn't comment on the fight. I never said that Doomsday becoming impervious to a being of pure energy was impossible.
His opponents energy did not affect him. Granted. Does that inherently mean that energy will never affect him ever again, no matter the magnitude? Unless it's explicitly stated or proven, I am unwilling to believe.
okay.....his brain was capable of allowing him the fundamental basics of motor functions and very very simple comprehensive patterns....... it was small....and well protected by his skull/hide.....there was no way to KO him....
after evolving his brain became larger....more than simplistic movements and survival instints are now there....now the brain has grown....become more humanoid in devlopment thus allowing KOing him to become an option.....
could you KO a bug?
can you kO a human?
now.....ANSWER MY QUESTION!
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm curious jinzin - do you think that dd can beat imperiex now? that's sort of what av's scan (which is from hunter/prey, btw, and is the aspect of dd that has always confused me) implies doesn't it? and if your answer is 'no', then doesn't that imply a limit to what dd can 'evolve' into and in essence grant the 'proof' you're looking for from cube regarding dd's ability to adapt without limit?
here's what I think....imperiex may be able to kill him...HOWEVER....he can't do it with the same weapon that he used on dd before....(assuming we are still talking about non-sentient dd).......so no it does not grant cc the proof he needs....not that my opinion on the subject could be negotiated as proof anyways.....