Doomsday vs Thanos

Aha! So the brain was present. Sentience isn't very hard to gain if you have a brain, synthetic or non-synthetic, fully operable or limited. Doomsday Rex possesses the same body as non-sentient Doomsday. UNLESS Doomsday's ability to think was a result of physical change, such as the development of an ENTIRE NERVOUS SYSTEM, which was not the case, there is no reason to believe that Doomsdays invulnerability was a result of his non-sentience. Understand?

Superman was able to, at the end of DOS, even at the cost of his life. Knocking him out was NOT impossible. Hmm, I wonder if Doomsday had been defeated physically prior to DOS? It makes one ponder.

When I said "obvious answer" I meant yes, as it is obviously the case.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<I have a theory that his de-evolution was merely the next step....I could get into it but it would take longer than I care to post about right now....and to be frank I'm not sure if I can put my theory into words that well......>.

maybe the answer to my question lies in here . . .?

okay...the best way I can explain this in simplistic terms is thus:

fighting...lets say you are a natural born fighter...your strength, speed, reflexes, and stamina are all natural to you, you have no problem kicking the crap out of people on a daily basis....however a well trained fighter comes along and serves you like a *****.....

you go to a martial arts school...despite all your god-given ability...you now have to learn aspects such as anticipation, balance, how to correctly punch, then how to punch through something, how to apply your center of gravity while staying light on your feet, learning grace through movement and fluidity...again despite your natural abilities, the only way to continue in your evolution of fighting ability was that...you had to go back to the basics.... become an ameature once again....and possibly look very follish while doing it......however when you are done learning what can be tought to you...you go back to the well trained fighter and trounce him..because NOW youhave added so very much to you arsenal of pain that you lacked before....

do you get the basic idea? does that make any sense? 🙁

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've always wondered the same thing about DD.
Here is another scan providing a bit more info about him.

Apparently, he does NOT have internal organs. 😕

Nice scan Avvy.

Confusing. 😬

<<here's what I think....imperiex may be able to kill him...HOWEVER....he can't do it with the same weapon that he used on dd before>>

that's sorta what i've always thought too, which has the added bonus of sayng at the same time that dd doesn't (necessarily) evolve to the point where he can automatically KILL an opponent who killed him. just that the opponent the second time round would need to be more creative . . .

btw - great debate both of you. though i somehow seem to have lost the thread in all of this . . . 🙂

Originally posted by jinzin
okay...the best way I can explain this in simplistic terms is thus:

fighting...lets say you are a natural born fighter...your strength, speed, reflexes, and stamina are all natural to you, you have no problem kicking the crap out of people on a daily basis....however a well trained fighter comes along and serves you like a *****.....

you go to a martial arts school...despite all your god-given ability...you now have to learn aspects such as anticipation, balance, how to correctly punch, then how to punch through something, how to apply your center of gravity while staying light on your feet, learning grace through movement and fluidity...again despite your natural abilities, the only way to continue in your evolution of fighting ability was that...you had to go back to the basics.... become an ameature once again....and possibly look very follish while doing it......however when you are done learning what can be tought to you...you go back to the well trained fighter and trounce him..because NOW youhave added so very much to you arsenal of pain that you lacked before....

do you get the basic idea? does that make any sense? 🙁

Interesting theory. Do you suppose that Doomsday will re-emerge more powerful than ever?

<<do you get the basic idea? does that make any sense?>.

sure it does. pro teams do it all the time - they tear down in an effort to become stronger. but that would imply non-sentient (??) dd had reached the apex of his evolution, no? since he'd gone as far as he could, he evolved sentience at the cost of what he had built up previously. or was what he had still present and his new brain simply didn't know how to deal with it? hmm, that last seems to make a bit of sense, now that i think of it. dd is a puzzle, no doubt.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<here's what I think....imperiex may be able to kill him...HOWEVER....he can't do it with the same weapon that he used on dd before>>

that's sorta what i've always thought too, which has the added bonus of sayng at the same time that dd doesn't (necessarily) evolve to the point where he can automatically KILL an opponent who killed him. just that the opponent the second time round would need to be more creative . . .

btw - great debate both of you. though i somehow seem to have lost the thread in all of this . . . 🙂

see but that's the thing about a fight with hulk...if dd's been bested by brute strength already...he would evolve past being killed by it again....even as you said before..in his and supe's initial confrontation...he evolved AS the fight went on...so if it comes down to strength vs. strength...hulk gets stronger...dd evolves to meat it...repeat..repeat...repeat.....then it's who lasts the longest...I put my money on the 10,000 year + guy on that one....

Actually, Avvy proved my point.

Bertron said that If Doomsday was defeated by a stronger opponent whom he encountered, he would return evolved as a superior being. That would imply that he would NOT be able to be hurt by the same opponent that killed him. Not that he would become totally immune to the form of attack that killed him.

Example: Doomsday gets hit by a grenade, and dies. It wouldn't happen, of course, but stay with me. Someone comes along with a bazooka, and kills Doomsday. Next time it will take something bigger.

That's exactly what Bertron implies. He's stating the opposite of what jinzin believes.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Interesting theory. Do you suppose that Doomsday will re-emerge more powerful than ever?

well..................erm............. he already HAS emerged to be what appeared as stronger than supes....superman was getting worn down by multiple cogs...doomsday came in and thrashed the crap out of them....

but overall......I don't know.....

considering that they're thinkin of replaceing bruce wayne as batman....I don't trust DC to make ANY good nor logical desicions anymore.....bruce IS the bat... 🙁

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Apparently, he does NOT have internal organs. 😕

Nice scan Avvy.

Confusing. 😬

All that adapting, and he will never know the taste of a good pepperoni slice... 😛

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
All that adapting, and he will never know the taste of a good pepperoni slice... 😛

lmao... 😆

Originally posted by jinzin
well..................erm............. he already HAS emerged to be what appeared as stronger than supes....superman was getting worn down by multiple cogs...doomsday came in and thrashed the crap out of them....

but overall......I don't know.....

considering that they're thinkin of replaceing bruce wayne as batman....I don't trust DC to make ANY good nor logical desicions anymore.....bruce IS the bat... 🙁

They are replacing Bruce again???

Originally posted by jinzin
well..................erm............. he already HAS emerged to be what appeared as stronger than supes....superman was getting worn down by multiple cogs...doomsday came in and thrashed the crap out of them....

Wasn't he initially stronger than Superman? Can Doomsday actually evolve without being defeated?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
They are replacing Bruce again???

🙁

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Actually, Avvy proved my point.

Bertron said that If Doomsday was defeated by a stronger opponent whom he encountered, he would return evolved as a superior being. That would imply that he would NOT be able to be hurt by the same opponent that killed him. Not that he would become totally immune to the form of attack that killed him.

Example: Doomsday gets hit by a grenade, and dies. It wouldn't happen, of course, but stay with me. Someone comes along with a bazooka, and kills Doomsday. Next time it will take something bigger.

That's exactly what Bertron implies. He's stating the opposite of what jinzin believes.

that can be taken a number of different ways.....is he superior to the attack...is he superior to what killed him period....is he superior to what he once was period....or is he superior to his oponent?.......

I mean you CAN take it how you like...but really...until proven otherwise we're all just going off theories....all I know.....superman killed him with brute force...he couldn't do it again...even enhanced.....in fact nothing even seemed to effect dd as far as brute force goes much less kill him..... it's been stated in terms of his superiority to the radiant....and he claims this as his ability..........

either way....until proven otherwise...I'm going with what's been stated and certainly implied over and over again....

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Wasn't he initially stronger than Superman? Can Doomsday actually evolve without being defeated?

nope...doomsday hit him in the chest.....supes took it like nothing.......the next attack sent supes through a house and knocked the wind out of him.....

superman even later commented how he was beginning to get fatigued while doomsday was actually thriving off the combat...even getting stronger.....which is why superman got so desperate to put him down in the last issue in death of supes....

That was suppose to be the most lethal army in space like 1000s..

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
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I know.....I know..... 🙁

Originally posted by golem370
That was suppose to be the most lethal army in space like 1000s..

you think the entire GL corps couldn't take em?

Originally posted by jinzin
that can be taken a number of different ways.....is he superior to the attack...is he superior to what killed him period....is he superior to what he once was period....or is he superior to his oponent?.......

I mean you CAN take it how you like...but really...until proven otherwise we're all just going off theories....all I know.....superman killed him with brute force...he couldn't do it again...even enhanced.....in fact nothing even seemed to effect dd as far as brute force goes much less kill him..... it's been stated in terms of his superiority to the radiant....and he claims this as his ability..........

either way....until proven otherwise...I'm going with what's been stated and certainly implied over and over again....

As a superior being. As in, superior to what he once was. The notion that he becomes totally invulnerable to the means of attack that defeated him is speculatory.

Doomsday evolved past being hurt by Superman. Did he ever fight a being who was physically stronger than Superman, while completely unaffected by their physical efforts?

Berton said that he would imerge as a superior being. Not an infinitely superior being...

It certainly didn't happen after he was killed by Imperiex...