Mace Windu vs. Count Dooku in Geonosis Arena

Meh, I feel better now. Dooku wins.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Vaapad is not god, as Yoda uses what the general populace thinks of as an "inferior" form (Read: Ataru, the same form that got Qui-Gon killed to a Juyo user) and Yoda could pretty much school Mace in a pitched battle.

I don't think Vaapad is as good for saber-to-saber combat as some people are making it out to be.... I mean, Makashi is, in the definition by Nick Gillard (The bloody creator of the forms) the REFINEMENT of saber-to-saber combat. Meaning? The highest degree. Makashi is better. And since we never see Dooku fight a battle where he gives it his all and fights for real, I'd argue Dooku is the best Sith lord in lightsaber combat in the PT era. He'd destroy Mace and that's the end of it.

We do see Dooku fight a battle where he gives his all. It's versus Yoda in AOTC. But mabey you mean that Dooku was tired then and wasent able to do his best???????

I don't think Dooku is giving his all against Yoda there. He is just delaying so he can get away and give his report to his master.

Exactly. If Dooku gave it his all, someone would have died that day. As it is, he almost killed Obi-Wan, but I think that was due to Sidious' orders (Skywalker's master must be killed if he cannot be turned) or was more of a teasing strike to antagonize Anakin.

i think dooku wanted anakin to get in,he paused b4 he did it. If he really wanted to kill obi he wud have struck him down immediately

I think Dooku would win period yoda taught him lets not forget that factor he is the best Jedi not siths apprentice
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good point

mace uses vaapad which is really good for blaster fire. Dooku on the other hand uses makashi which is terribe. If a stray bolt came in then dooku would have to concentrate to deflect it, in this moment mace would attack and kill him

A good point. There is a battle going on, after all.

thanks

It all really depends on the location, peace an tranqil prolly dokoo, wild and chatic - windu.

its in geonosis battle AOTC

Count Dooku would probably win. We know definately that Dooku has defeated Mace in times previous. In that time, Mace has amassed more experience and power in the Force. But what people forget to realize is that so do the older Jedi and Sith.

Take Luke for example. In Return of The Jedi, he had his ass fried and handed to him by Emperor Palpatine. Now look. He's gotta be in his fifties in the New Jedi Order. In this turn of events, he can hand just about anyone's ass back to them - and he's past middle age.

Count Dooku racked up the experience and especially more Force powers - under Darth Sidious's tutelage. His Force skills are now much more refined - and his lightsaber skills are probably the same, if not better.

Not to mention Makashi is the ultimate form of lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat. In Force powers or saber combat, Mace would be defeated.

Originally posted by Kam Solusar
mace uses vaapad which is really good for blaster fire. Dooku on the other hand uses makashi which is terribe. If a stray bolt came in then dooku would have to concentrate to deflect it, in this moment mace would attack and kill him

Is Mace gonna pull a blaster out of his arse while they are fighting or what?

And for those of you who said Dooku was going all out with Yoda on the AOTC fight were sorely wrong. You could see with the expressions of his face that he was merely playing around. Dooku is one of the greatest Lightsaber duelists in the Star Wars series because he is basically a Grandmaster of Makashi/Form II/Way of the Ysalamir. Vapaad is a very domesticated form that uses Anger and power to accumilate strikes. This leaves the fighter open to alot of flawed hits because of the angered strikes. Dooku would open Mace up apon a flaw and strike him down.

Although it would be a long fight, Dooku would win.

STOP! . . . . Rating time!

Dueling Skill

Mace- 10
Dooku- 10

Force Mastery

Mace- 7
Dooku- 9

Raw Power

Mace- 8
Dooku-8

Tactics

Mace- 10
Dooku- 10

Against Single Opponent

Mace- 10
Dooku- 10

Against Multiple Opponents

Mace- 10
Dooku- 9

Leaving Dooku at 56 and Mace at 54. Close, but Dooku takes it slightly. I'd say Dooku's advantage comes in Force Mastery. Although Mace is no slouch, the Jedi just don't have access to such a variety of technique as the Sith, except for Yoda. Remember, this is a broad topic. So Force Mastery means techique, knowledge, practice, etc. Mace has mastered every Jedi technique, or almost every, and some darker ones likely. But he doesn't know the powers of darkness, like Lightning. I'd give him Choke and Grip, and others in the ilk, but Dooku knows more.

I actually like the way you did that surprisingly well(like you care) 🙂 . I think it would be more like this though.

Dueling Skill

Mace- 10
Dooku- 10

Force Mastery

Mace- 8
Dooku- 9

Raw Power

Mace- 9
Dooku- 9

Tatics

Mace- 10
Dooku- 10

Against Single Opponent

Mace- 9
Dooku- 10

Against Mutiple Opponent

Mace- 10
Dooku- 8

Overall

Mace- 56
Dooku- 56

Well, I guess it didn't go as well for my try at the system.

Edit: Since it's one-on-one though, Dooku would win because you would skill against mutiple opponets doesnt matter in this fight and that is where Mace has a big advantage over Dooku.

Close enough to where I was, except I put my money on Dooku due to his superior Force Mastery; why wouldn't Mace be as good against a single opponent as Dooku though?

Dooku would probably strike mace with electricity while he's fighting droids

People...

That is a duel. What does "force mastery" has to do with that ? Dooku could throw some lightning at Mace but Mace can deflect that. So that is quite boring.

I think Mace might be able to take Dooku. Dooku has superior lightsaber skills (but only by a slight advantage) but Mace has his Shatterpoint ability that will show him Dookus weakpoints and grant him the ability to exploit them. And he has a natural talent for lightsaber combat. That way he might take Dooku.

At least I would give Mace a 50 / 50 chance in defeating Dooku in a normal duel.

But this one would be a duel in the middle of a full scale ground conflict with serveral hundrets droids / Jedi involved. As we could see in AotC, Dooku didn't participate in that fight. And I think the reason for that is, that his lightsaber form is weak against multiple opponents. So in this situation he might get hit by blasterfire or just stabbed by another Jedi. We saw that Mace wasn't afraid to confront Dooku alone and in that enviroment I'd say that Mace would win because some other Jedi forces might join him in that fight.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
People...

That is a duel. What does "force mastery" has to do with that ? Dooku could throw some lightning at Mace but Mace can deflect that. So that is quite boring.

I think Mace might be able to take Dooku. Dooku has superior lightsaber skills (but only by a slight advantage) but Mace has his Shatterpoint ability that will show him Dookus weakpoints and grant him the ability to exploit them. And he has a natural talent for lightsaber combat. That way he might take Dooku.

At least I would give Mace a 50 / 50 chance in defeating Dooku in a normal duel.

But this one would be a duel in the middle of a full scale ground conflict with serveral hundrets droids / Jedi involved. As we could see in AotC, Dooku didn't participate in that fight. And I think the reason for that is, that his lightsaber form is weak against multiple opponents. So in this situation he might get hit by blasterfire or just stabbed by another Jedi. We saw that Mace wasn't afraid to confront Dooku alone and in that enviroment I'd say that Mace would win because some other Jedi forces might join him in that fight.

Just because Dooku has a form that isn't good with dodging blaster bolts doesn't mean he can't do it. Hell, i know he knows Form I, which can deflect Blaster bolts. I'm sure he doesn't have some sort of inability to deflect Blaster bolts. And as you have seen on ROTS, he is good at fighting more than one Jedi. I am sure he would still conquer Mace.