He made the reasoning more realistic. At first, the power was secondary to the ability to save Padme. Unfortunately, the farther he fell the more the thought of the power consumed him.
I really dont think his turn was too fast. If you think about it, Anakin's decent into darkness started long before he was discovered by the Jedi, fueled by his hatred for being a slave. Hell, he already had an enormous chip on his shoulder at age 9 when Padme called him a slave in Watto's shop. Siding with Palpatine was just the final step.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Anakin's turn to the Dark Side sucessfully done by GL
Originally posted by Soren the Mage
*Sighs* Dear lord.....Well, anyone stupid enough to turn to the darkside over a fifteen second dream which he doesn't know is real is just plain dumb. He didn't know something terrible was gonna happen to his wife! It was a dream! Hell, i have had dreams before that my girlfriend has died. You don't see me going around murdering people because of it.
He didn't trust the Council? He was a whiney prick! He was the youngest Jedi Knight ever to join the Council and he starts crying because he didn't become a Master? He is a spoiled fool!
You my friend, are an idiot. First, Anakin doesn't turn because of the dream. Second, you don't comprehend his actions at all. He turns because he is greedy and selfish.
If you were intelligent, and watch it again, you will see he actually only cares about himself and power. The fact that he wants to be with Padme is for his own selfish reasons and that HE wants to be happy, not her. After he gains more power, he even kills her because he doesn't need her love anymore, but rather the power itself.
He doesn't really love Padme, just how she makes HIM feel. Padme is his rationalization of why he needs more power, and without that he would have to see himself for what he really is, evil. You are a failure!
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t493554.html <--- my theory on how it should have been done is in this thread. I think he should have been more rational with his choice, and he should have been much older by the time of rots.
Replace mace with count dooku, make dooku fall to the darkside, which causes the counsil to find the prodigious mace (who is none other than Liam Neeson) to take his place. Dooku then stalemates mace in the second episode, and pretty much walks away unscathed. He is still played by that kid from transformers.In the third episode, sideous doesn’t tell Anakin that he is a sith. Mace finds this out through his own investigation. When he confronts palpatine, palpatine phones for anakin’s help. Anakin disables mace. Mace manages to survive and gets back to the council to warn the other Jedi. By now (dooku isn't dead yet, there was no attempt to capture the senator) dooku has learned of palpatine's plans to replace him and travels back to coruscaunt and confronts the emperor. Realizing the emperor is too strong, he escapes. He then plans to kill the newly christened Vader, thus proving him worthy to be the emperor’s apprentice.
Anakin goes into the jedi temple. Alone. No clones. He kills all of the Jedi inside, (the camera actually shows us him fighting cin drallig and mace windu simultaneously), and leaves the temple, now with cool dark auras and stuff all around him, using Richard Amitage’s evil stance and attitude. Dooku, hoping that Anakin is weakened from his fight with some of the foremost masters in the academy, chooses now to attack Anakin. Anakin, at this point nearly an avatar of the living force curb stomps dooku. Since this is Anakin as a full fledged Jedi master at the age of 35 instead of a snot nosed teenage brat at the age of 18, he is way more powerful and knowledgeable in the force than he could have been in the movies, coming to about 70% of his full potential. Like I said, earlier he had proven himself worthy of studying all of the jedi knowledge and holocrons, so he is not limited by knowledge. He also knows that he is better than the emperor for a fact.
So at this point, he has killed the entire Jedi order single handedly, count dooku, and Maul. Lights dim as he walks by, the ground almost feels like its shaking when he is angry, and when he looks at someone, they cower in fear. (like the rodian’s description of exar kun) This proves him worthy of being called the chosen one.
Unfortunately, after killing all of the cis, and preparing to kill the emperor, obi wan(keep the grevious scene, only have obi wan bring along kit fisto and other nameless Jedi to fight him) intercepts Anakin on Mustafar. Almost the same dueling scene ensues except Anakin tries to persuade obi-wan to join him as his apprentice after the emperor is dead, and afterwards, obi-wan takes padme (WHO DOESN’T DIE) to a planet to hide. The scene ends the same way. Anakin is burnt to a crisp and the emperor (after chasing off Yoda) comes and rescues him and turns him into darth vader. For three years vader (since being mechanized unable to kill palpatine and during this time he kills some jedi in cg mode to lend awesomeness to the mask of vader) searches for padme and Obi-wan. Finally he finds them (this makes leia old enough to remember her mother a little). Vader kills leia slowly for her adultery, and wards off obi wan, causing obi wan to run like hell to tatooine, taking the (now 3 year old) children with him, hiding them on tatooine and alderaan. It does not end with them watching the death star being constructed, because 20 years of working on the first death star >2 years of working on a much larger death star. At this point it just ends showing padme’s funeral procession and the same “a new hope” scene of obi wan handing off luke.
Everyone wins. We got to see Anakin actually prove himself “the chosen one” and we got to see vader kick ass, we got a logical reason and it fixes many of the inconsistencies between the pt and the ot. I think mine is way better than the original.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Was Anakin's turn to the Dark Side sucessfully done by GL
Originally posted by brrrr
You my friend, are an idiot. First, Anakin doesn't turn because of the dream. Second, you don't comprehend his actions at all. He turns because he is greedy and selfish.If you were intelligent, and watch it again, you will see he actually only cares about himself and power. The fact that he wants to be with Padme is for his own selfish reasons and that HE wants to be happy, not her. After he gains more power, he even kills her because he doesn't need her love anymore, but rather the power itself.
He doesn't really love Padme, just how she makes HIM feel. Padme is his rationalization of why he needs more power, and without that he would have to see himself for what he really is, evil. You are a failure!
I like how this person is banned, and the comment was made several years ago. Let it die, for god's sake. Necromancy much?
GL's writing AotC was terrible (live a lie? no, yes, no YES no?) and RotS wasn't much better. At least there was no Jar Jar. And the Ani/Obi fight was pretty cool. So yes. yes it was handled well. The descent was poorly written and the idea of a 'secret marriage' is ludicrous, but It was well done.
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" (I used both shift keys at once)
Pure gold. The rest- not so much.
Originally posted by Jbill311That's cause Ewan McGregor is an excellent actor though. Would anyone else in that cast that movie had to say it it would be garbage as well.
I like how this person is banned, and the comment was made several years ago. Let it die, for god's sake. Necromancy much?GL's writing AotC was terrible (live a lie? no, yes, no YES no?) and RotS wasn't much better. At least there was no Jar Jar. And the Ani/Obi fight was pretty cool. So yes. yes it was handled well. The descent was poorly written and the idea of a 'secret marriage' is ludicrous, but It was well done.
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!" (I used both shift keys at once)
Pure gold. The rest- not so much.
Ian McDiarmid?
He's the other actor in this film who I would call 'excellent'. The rest are all 'meh'. Even SLJ, who is a good actor in general, was just plain 'ugh' as Mace Windu.
The descent was handled brilliantly, in my opinion, s'pecially if you read all the novels. I like the gradual descent (not the sudden "I'M GONNA GO EVIL!" shit people have made it out to be), the irony of him causing Padme's deaths, and, most of all, how understandable and humane his turn is.
Even better is the way the destruction of the Jedi is handled. From the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight to "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!", to "Anakin... you're breaking my heart." (bad dialogue. Awesome music, powerful emotion, and good acting on Natalie's part), to Ki-Adi-Mundi's look, to "The First Galactic Empire!" speech.
Yeah. Kudos, GL. I forgive you for the Ewoks 'cause of that. Okay, almost forgive you.
Originally posted by Master CrimzonI didn't like Ian McDiarmid in any of them really.
Ian McDiarmid?He's the other actor in this film who I would call 'excellent'. The rest are all 'meh'. Even SLJ, who is a good actor in general, was just plain 'ugh' as Mace Windu.
The descent was handled brilliantly, in my opinion, s'pecially if you read all the novels. I like the gradual descent (not the sudden "I'M GONNA GO EVIL!" shit people have made it out to be), the irony of him causing Padme's deaths, and, most of all, how understandable and humane his turn is.
Even better is the way the destruction of the Jedi is handled. From the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan fight to "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!", to "Anakin... you're breaking my heart." (bad dialogue. Awesome music, powerful emotion, and good acting on Natalie's part), to Ki-Adi-Mundi's look, to "The First Galactic Empire!" speech.
Yeah. Kudos, GL. I forgive you for the Ewoks 'cause of that. Okay, almost forgive you.
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Originally posted by queeq
THat scene in the book shows how badly it was done in the film. The book scene was pretty neat, I bought that. I didn't buy it in the film.
Which is precisely why the book was 10 times better than the movie, as is usually the case. 😉