Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Syren, with all due respect, no it wouldn't be nice. It'd be a nightmare.Everyone exactly equal? Nothing to strive for? No way to differentiate or feel independantly better?
Hell on Earth. Utopia is the biggest "Looks good on paper" theory of all time. Because if it ever happened, the world would be in a worse position than it is now.
-AC
I see what you're saying.. but 'in an ideal world' and all that... yeah, theorised on paper it sounds great. Converted my opinion.
Originally posted by Syren
I see what you're saying.. but 'in an ideal world' and all that... yeah, theorised on paper it sounds great. Converted my opinion.
As does Free Capitalism in an Ideal World...thios so called "Ideal World" just seems to be pretty useful for "Utopias".....but now its aboot what is closer to reality....
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
We're not equal, why should we think of ourselves as such?I'm sorry. I recognise that there are many many many smarter people than me on this planet, I'm not equal to them. Just like alot of people aren't equal to me, or to you, or to anyone.
We're not all equal, nor will we ever be, nor should we be.
We're born with the ability to learn and advance, if we were meant to be equal we'd not have that. I'm all for the concept of humans being friendly and helping each other, but lowering myself to claim I'm equal to that of the common, The Sun newspaper reading dullard? No thanks.
-AC
Exactly, we are all equal to be that which we aspire to be, ie, a scientist is smarter than a linebacker, but a linebacker is stronger than the scientist. Communism makes these people equal in such a sense, in a democracy bums and homeless people can't do much, in communism they can get a job, decent schooling, and shit like that.
Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Exactly, we are all equal to be that which we aspire to be, ie, a scientist is smarter than a linebacker, but a linebacker is stronger than the scientist. Communism makes these people equal in such a sense, in a democracy bums and homeless people can't do much, in communism they can get a job, decent schooling, and shit like that.
They can in a decent founded Capitalistic country with some sort odf social environment too....but what if the linebacker is not stronger than the Scientists....you assume that everything will cancel each other out...some people are just plain better......take Tim Duncan ..he's a great Athlerte and I believe he has a degree in Psychology...not many people can keep up with him.....
In Capitalism everyone gets what they deserve.....
About equality…
Don’t confuse being equal with being THE SAME. We’re kinda getting to the latter these days, fashion dictates what clothes we should wear (or MUST especially if you’re a teen), commercials what is hot and what is not, Hollywood what movies we should see.
There isn’t a whole lot of individuality – although society keeps beating into us, that we’re so fu….. individual and special that most teens (here in DK) wants to “be something with music, or a news-anchor-man or… something with TV”.
If society is NOT about people, then what’s the point? “Yeah, well, those lazy bums should just get a job…” How many lazy bums do you know? How many without a job?
Were at NOT the same. Some people like working 12 hours a day, earn a lot of money and ride a Ferrari. Some like working 6 hours a day, earn ok money, and ride their bicycle and enjoy their free time.
Let me ask you this: Would you prefer a doctor who only got her degree to earn millions, to a doctor who got her degree from an idealistic wish to cure diseases and help people?
Originally posted by Bardock42
In Capitalism everyone gets what they deserve.....
Do millions of people deserve to die of starvation daily in the Capitalist nations of Africa? Do catholics deserve the table scrap jobs they're givin in the capitalist country of northern Ireland? Do thousands of men, women, and children deserve to live in the street in the capitalist nation of America? I could go on, and on.
I wouldn't care, as long as they knew what they were doing and could do their job when I asked them to, if we're talking doctors.
The doctor getting her degree to cure diseases and help is all well and good, but the doctor getting her degree to earn millions still has to help people because it's her job. So help is the outcome either way. The path they took to become a doctor doesn't matter to me, nor do their reasons for becoming one.
If I go to hospital with a testicular lump, I'll take the first available doctor offering to cut the bastard out of my scrotum. Not say "Hmm, but what do you get out of this?"
-AC
Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Do millions of people deserve to die of starvation daily in the Capitalist nations of Africa? Do catholics deserve the table scrap jobs they're givin in the capitalist country of northern Ireland? Do thousands of men, women, and children deserve to live in the street in the capitalist nation of America? I could go on, and on.
Yes
Originally posted by alcoholicpoet
Better keep it at that, no need to waste our time reading and writing book length posts.
True that....I like your avy by the way.....
Although i do have to say some....
People deserve it because they are not worth to anybody anything...if some bum on the street is worth 1000 bucks a month to you....Great....but they are not to anyone else.....maybe they are to some but its not their duty to find the people they are worth something to.....
Bardock> “You are right though....its all the individuals decision (well as far as its possible for each individual) but they can't expect to earn the same for absolute different jobs....”
Let’s stay with this line of reasoning for a while. Why not? Why should an education and wealthy parents (in some parts of the world) dictate what I can earn? Is a doctor more important than the guy who takes my trash? And can you argue for your answer?`
AC> Okay. Then, next question: Who’d you rather have running your country? Someone who studied politics to make millions, or someone who studied politics from an idealistic point of view, and truly wanted to make society better?
Originally posted by Bardock42
True that....I like your avy by the way.....Although i do have to say some....
People deserve it because they are not worth to anybody anything...if some bum on the street is worth 1000 bucks a month to you....Great....but they are not to anyone else.....maybe they are to some but its not their duty to find the people they are worth something to.....
But what about the homeless person? No country, IMO, is economically sound when there are people sleeping on boardwalks and park benches every night.
The latter, of course.
Because in the doctors case, her reasons don't affect her job. If she does her job well, it doesn't matter why she's a doctor because it doesn't affect her patience. Admittedly it's always nice to have a friendly doctor dealing with you but I don't go to hospitals to make friends, I go to get help.
In politics, someone in it for the money will make decisions for the money. Those decisions will affect people unlike the doctors ideals or choices.
-AC
Originally posted by The Omega
Let’s stay with this line of reasoning for a while. Why not? Why should an education and wealthy parents (in some parts of the world) dictate what I can earn? Is a doctor more important than the guy who takes my trash? And can you argue for your answer?`
Obviously I can...its easy too.....
How much are you willing to pay a doctor that safes your life?
How much are you willing to pay the guy that takes your trash?
QED
Originally posted by Alcoholicprophet (or something like that)
But what about the homeless person? No country, IMO, is economically sound when there are people sleeping on boardwalks and park benches every night.
Well I don*t think it is an implication of anything..but even if it is...the amount of homeless people in a stable and good Capitalisitc Society should be minimal....not quite like Communism but thats the prize you have to pay fopr advance
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well I don*t think it is an implication of anything..but even if it is...the amount of homeless people in a stable and good Capitalisitc Society should be minimal....not quite like Communism but thats the prize you have to pay fopr advance
Obviously not a benificiary advance when people are starving.