He said 'type of wizard to shatter mountains'. Still, Gandalf has some kickass feats: he matched Sauron in sheer innate power, WTFPWND Saruman, killed the Balrog (which is kind of a big deal if we look at the previous good guy/balrog confrontations), dealt with the Nazgul/Fellbeasts, can light magic fire (the Hobbit) and is essentially an angel. I didn't even mention Saruman's fireball...
A question - couldn't magic be considered a version of the Force?
But, here is a point that nobody has raised - not one LOTR character is familar with lightsaber forms or martial arts. I can't picture Aragorn defending himself from Juyo, Vaapad or Makashi. Obi-Wan's Soresu would deflect any attack one of those characters made. Anakin's Djem So - well sorry to say he would win everytime. I don't even want to think about Aragorn fighting Darth Maul. Maul would cut him down within seconds. Also, LOTR swords are not laced with cortosis to prevent the blade from being sawed in pieces. LOTR characters are not gifted with Force enhanced jumps and during a fight a convient telekenetic attack and the fight is over.
As too the Force vs Magic - better fight. Sidious vs Ghandalf, that would be a brutal battle. Ghandalf got tossed around by Saruman so I would hate to see him get nailed FL. Sure he bested the Balrog, but the Sith are masters of illusion (see Darth Caedus) and Sidious was by far the most powerful Sith in history. I'm not saying he wouldn't take any damage, but he would emerge the victor. Does Ghandalf have the ability to deflect Force or magic attacks? I have yet to see evidence. Yoda and Galen Marek were able to hold off a FL attack for a brief time.
So there's my opinion.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Gandalf [b]never moved a mountain. And he's nowhere near Sauron in power. If anything he's among the weakest magic users in media history. [/B]
What about Harry Potter in the beginning of the first book?
Every LOTR combatant ON THAT LIST loses except maybe Gandalf and Sauruman due to the force.
Without the force, then that might be a better fight. Without the force (assuming that the SW characters are given time to get used to not using the force AND using swords):
Obi Wan (Soresu ftw)
Legolas (arrow to the face, without the force to help Anakin can't block an arrow/lacks the reflexes)
Yoda (way faster and more skilled w/hundreds of years of experience)
Mace (way more skilled)
Gandalf (magic!)
Sauruman (magic!)
Gandalf never moved a mountain. And he's nowhere near Sauron in power. If anything he's among the weakest magic users in media history.
He never moved a mountain. He did, however, match Sauron in pure power:
LotR The Two Towers pg. 117
"... Did you find them, and are they safe?"
"No, I did not find them,' said Gandalf. 'There was a darkness over the valleys of the Emyn Muil, and I did not know of their captivity, until the Eagle told me.'
'The eagle!' said Legolas. ' I have seen an eagle high and far off; the last time was three days ago, above the Emyn Muil.'
'Yes.' said Galdalf, 'that was Gwaihir the Windlord, who rescued me from Orthanc. I sent him before me to watch the river and gather tidings. His sight is keen, but he cannot see all that passes under hill and tree. Some things he has seen, and others I have seen myself. The Ring now has passed beyond my help, or the help of any of the Company that set out from Rivendell. Very nearly it was revealed to the Enemy, but it escaped. I had some part in that; for I sat in a high place, and I strove with the Dark Tower; and the Shadow passed. Then I was weary, very weary; and I walked long in dark thought.'
I still can't get past the fact that some people are forgetting the fact that Jedi have VASTLY, and I mean VAAAAAAAAASTLY superior reflexes and speed, among other combat oriented advantages augmented or empowered by the force. No one, and I mean NO ONE in the LotR universe displays anything in combat that puts them anywhere in the same galaxy as an accomplished Jedi, especially one approaching the caliber of those mentioned in the opening post. And Gandalf would absolutely get wtfpwned/raped/destroyed (pick one) by Sidious. Gandalf hasn't done shit at all to make me think he's even remotely close to Sidious. Oh, please correct me if you think I'm wrong. Just, try and use logical reasoning when discussing these battles.
Originally posted by ares834
Which is why Saruman and Gandalf are the only LOTR characters that win. They can conjure bolts of lightning at will and can easily destroy the jedi/sith. Also ME magic>HP magic.
WTF??? And Sidious Can't? Ever hear of force lightning? Ever hear of a force storm? Of course you have.
Originally posted by ares834
Which is why Saruman and Gandalf are the only LOTR characters that win. They can conjure bolts of lightning at will and can easily destroy the jedi/sith. Also ME magic>HP magic.
Meh, I'd throw the Witch King, Sauron and Melkor in there too. (there are probably a few others that im not familiar with)