What Is Time?

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Yup... there would be no room, but two objects can not exist at the same place and time, because our perpeption would be limited in my perpective. If cause and effect happen at the same point, this rule is not valid anymore. What I find cool is that there are frames of reference in relativity which cause and effect happen simultaneusly.

I think cause and effect are two different ends of the same stick.

good thread.........I have nothing to add........Shaky and Atlantis already covered everything I would say.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
It is that time we are talking about. That time is the 4th dimension, its how it is in physics... you know... a dimension don´t need to be space necessarily.

I liked that tought about cause and effect, maybe they are the same thing, but in someway our limited perception couldn´t see it, so we see they separated, if they are separated they happen in different moments, creating the ilusion of time. You know if cause and effect happen at the same "time", is the same to say that time don´t exist, there would be no way to measure it. A second would always begin when it ends, so we couldn´t measure it.

I' m inclined to think like Augustine. Time is nothing in reality but exists only in the mind' s apprehension of that reality.

Time, the past, present and future are all now.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
"time" is merely motion.........the movement of matter through space.

Nope, that in it's self is merely movement, time is how long it takes for that matter to move.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Time, the past, present and future are all now.

True, however, the future is the only thing that can truly exist, the past is ended by the passing of time, as the future is constantly upon us.

Originally posted by intoxicatedpoet
Nope, that in it's self is merely movement, time is how long it takes for that matter to move.

That would be the rate of change, not time. As you travel faster the rate of change slows down in relationship to an outside observer. Time is the space that allows something to move.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be the rate of change, not time. As you travel faster the rate of change slows down in relationship to an outside observer. Time is the space that allows something to move.

That space, is space, time is what has and will happen, it is also measurable, in long and short amounts.

Originally posted by intoxicatedpoet
True, however, the future is the only thing that can truly exist, the past is ended by the passing of time, as the future is constantly upon us.

I wrote this in another thread:

Lets say you and I set our clocks to be the same, I then get into a space ship and blast off. We also have special magical cameras that will allow us to see each other instantly, regardless of the number of light years between us. I set the speed of my ship to be close to the speed of light. When you look at me thought your magical camera, you see me begin to slow down as I get closer to the speed of light, my clock also runs slower. From my perspective everything is normal, but when I look at you through my magical camera, you are moving really fast and your clock is spinning. I return in one year my time, but 5 years have past on Earth. I am in the past to you and you are in the future to me, but we stand side my side with no problem. If there was a past and future we would not be able to see each other.

I think in apples to this discussion.

Originally posted by intoxicatedpoet
That space, is space, time is what has and will happen, it is also measurable, in long and short amounts.

Time is space, Relativity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wrote this in another thread:

Lets say you and I set our clocks to be the same, I then get into a space ship and blast off. We also have special magical cameras that will allow us to see each other instantly, regardless of the number of light years between us. I set the speed of my ship to be close to the speed of light. When you look at me thought your magical camera, you see me begin to slow down as I get closer to the speed of light, my clock also runs slower. From my perspective everything is normal, but when I look at you through my magical camera, you are moving really fast and your clock is spinning. I return in one year my time, but 5 years have past on Earth. I am in the past to you and you are in the future to me, but we stand side my side with no problem. If there was a past and future we would not be able to see each other.

I think in apples to this discussion.

I'm going to think about that for a while, I'll make a valid point later today.

No.No.No. Time is thought, as I said earlier. It is entirely imagined, because without human self-consciousness, time would not have existed...something can only exist if it's said to exist....think about it...

Originally posted by Wonderer
No.No.No. Time is thought, as I said earlier. It is entirely imagined, because without human self-consciousness, time would not have existed...something can only exist if it's said to exist....think about it...

There are two ways of looking at time; 1. the clock on the wall, this is the time you are talking about (I think), 2. the space-time continuum that is warped by gravity and creates the lens effect. That is what I am talking about (I think).

What Is Time? the moments that makes up a dull day.......................-Pink Floyd

Originally posted by finti
What Is Time? the moments that makes up a dull day.......................-Pink Floyd

You and your song quotes, do you have TIME for anything else?

for those who say time is linear there is a problem...that would presume that the future events are predetermined

if time were linear and had a physical state then it would exist as a flat and infinitely long surface to which you could theoretically jump forward and backwards on it...but if its infinitely long then there is no relative forwards and backwards positions on its length anyway...hence the entire span of the length is theoretically at the same moment...making linear time travel impossible

so instead of looking at time as a line that travels into the past and future...think of it as an infinitely wide line that has no span into either the past or the future...but only exists in the moment you are in

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy....

I think it's TIME to visit another forum now.....Time flys when you're having fun....and sooooo timely tooooo....Maybe I'll go to Nottingham.

You and your song quotes, do you have TIME for anything else?

Originally posted by jaden101
for those who say time is linear there is a problem...that would presume that the future events are predetermined

if time were linear and had a physical state then it would exist as a flat and infinitely long surface to which you could theoretically jump forward and backwards on it...but if its infinitely long then there is no relative forwards and backwards positions on its length anyway...hence the entire span of the length is theoretically at the same moment...making linear time travel impossible

so instead of looking at time as a line that travels into the past and future...think of it as an infinitely wide line that has no span into either the past or the future...but only exists in the moment you are in

Any time we try to make a model of time we run into problems with observations not agreeing with the model. Your idea is good, but try this on for size. Think of time as a vibration were the direction of the wave is from the past to the future and from the future to the past. In this model, all past and future exists now and the vibration creates space enough for us and everything else in the universe to move.