Battles are really frickin fast. And as I said, he probably did a Naruto log switch with her or something. We can hear him thinking with the great line 'Shit, everythings backwards!' right before Momo gets hit so its likely he was still there when he thought that. Plus you can see Ichigo looking like 'wait, what?' at the beginning of the chapter.
Or something.........
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wrong. There are literally hundreds of ways to do a villian and none of them are the 'best' way.
And somehow "my" idea excludes hundreds of ways? (I think it allows for thousands of different ways to achieve a "good villain".
Originally posted by Nephthys
IGN is a big ol' steaming pile of shit, so whatever minger loser. Plus the number 2 villian is the Joker, a guy whose primary characteristic is his instability, insanity and utter disregard for life. Plus plus that list is comics characters only. Everyone knows the real greatest villian ever is Emperor Palpatine. 😐
No, it's not. Be honest: you simply want to discredit it to make your false sense of correctness, feel more correct. 313
And, no, the greatest villain ever is Vader. This is why you fail, son. estahuh
Originally posted by Q99
Mainly because the *non* hypnotized Ichigo was watching the whole time yet didn't warn anyone or do anything, making it kinda a headbanger.
Indeed. It was a bit irritating.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
1. No, the development of character can occur anywhere. In fact, Kubo usually prefers in/after battle development than during, which is the case for, well, most of the characters, Fullbringers included.
2. Why do you need more? His backstory was explained and his motives are clear. He is a complete monster that Kubo plans to spare. And that pisses me off. Lucky Boy is getting development now. He has been asked a question and is being forced to answer it. His ideas are being questioned. We got nothing from Clock man cause Kenpachi killed him so quickly that it didn't matter. And with Dirty Boots, we have images to infer from. Again, more than Kenpachi gave us.
1. Not really. We already have clock man and lucky boy defeated. Same with Dirty Bewbz. So, it looks like your development is not there?
2. Well, now that you put it that way. lol I don't see Lucky boy getting any development. It's superficial, at best. "WHY DEW YEW FOLLOW HEEM?" That's hardly character development.
I'll be honest, with Dirty Bewbz, we can infer she was raeped or something. But this is not a late 19th century feminist short story (one of my classes is about that very subject...boring and hate it).
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Because he is a threat and has done heinous things. Not that he is the only broken villain evar in Bleach. People straight up adore Barragan after all.
Bargs was not more broken than Aizen, however. Bargs was not a reality warper, either.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If Ichigo walked into Soul Society and beat up everyone one of the Shinigami in seconds, it would be the worst arc of the manga. He didn't. After every battle he had to heal up because his opponents were that strong.
But he didn't. In fact, he almost got his ass handed to him every single fight and only his ability to realize his new found powers resulted in his ultimate victories.
Ichigo got wtf pwned in the worst way possible against his first fight with Sea Shell Head. He was pwned by that one lady that launched them via a cannon into SS. I forget...
At least with his earlier victories, it was simply Ichigo winning due to mastering his powers.
The only time he wtf pwned shinigami in seconds was against the lieutenants at the rescue portion.
It was due to that that it was so awesome.
Now, wait..didn't we have a mini-version of that? We sure did.
Ichigo got pwned repeatedly by the Fullbringers. He got stronger, then he STARTED to pwn.
But...NOPE...now he can't pwn anymore.
Lame.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I agree, it was the best arc. But not really for the reason you gave. 😮
Nope, you do agree with me. And that's not the only reason, btw. It's one of about 6 reasons it was such a good arc. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
And somehow "my" idea excludes hundreds of ways? (I think it allows for thousands of different ways to achieve a "good villain".No, it's not. Be honest: you simply want to discredit it to make your false sense of correctness, feel more correct. 313
And, no, the greatest villain ever is Vader. This is why you fail, son. estahuh
Yeah, pretty much. From what you said,
'The best type of villain is a villain you can both relate to and hate. He has to be consistant while having believable motivations. he ALSO has to be "human" in ability. He can be powerful, but not stpuid powerful where all hope seems lost. Those stories are for children.'
You leave out a lot of ways of doing fantastic villians.
Also you misspelled 'stupid', stupid.
No not really. You posted it so I pointed out some stuff about it. My E-penis was not threatened o'ermuch tbh.
I was joking. The real greatest villian ever is the Anti-Spiral. Rules the universe as an omnipotent god for eons = better than stinky Palpatine as per Gideons own rules.
Originally posted by dadudemon
2. Well, now that you put it that way. lol I don't see Lucky boy getting any development. It's superficial, at best. "WHY DEW YEW FOLLOW HEEM?" That's hardly character development.I'll be honest, with Dirty Bewbz, we can infer she was raeped or something. But this is not a late 19th century feminist short story (one of my classes is about that very subject...boring and hate it).
I do. Considering how things go.
I was thinking she was forced to be a prostitute at a young age. Your idea works too I guess.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Bargs was not more broken than Aizen, however. Bargs was not a reality warper, either.
No, he isn't more broken than Aizen I'll grant you. But probably more so than Tsukishima, since Book of the End should not be able to do anything to him. The King of Hueco Mundo is in fact, one of the most broken characters in the manga.
Originally posted by dadudemon
But he didn't. In fact, he almost got his ass handed to him every single fight and only his ability to realize his new found powers resulted in his ultimate victories.
Indeed, which is why it was good. However we aren't getting that here. Ichigo fully thinks he could kill all of these guys at the same time if Yukio hadn't saved them. The fullbringers are not threats for the most part, which is why they fail as villains because...well, they can't do anything.
Tsukishima is right now the only possible exception. Which is why we like him more. Ginjo....well he isn't a fullbringer. He is a fullbringer/Shinigami hybrid so he should logically be the strongest there....of the villains.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No, he isn't more broken than Aizen I'll grant you. But probably more so than Tsukishima, since Book of the End should not be able to do anything to him. The King of Hueco Mundo is in fact, one of the most broken characters in the manga.
I disagree.
Tsukishima is more broken than Aizen in some ways.
All Tsukishima has to do is cut ANYTHING. That's stupid.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed, which is why it was good. However we aren't getting that here..
But what about the horrendous "ownage" that Ichigo got for the entire arc up to and including "now"?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Tsukishima is right now the only possible exception. Which is why we like him more. Ginjo....well he isn't a fullbringer. He is a fullbringer/Shinigami hybrid so he should logically be the strongest there....of the villains.
I hate his character. Tsukishima became the worst villian after the last chapter.
Ginjo is a better bad guy than Tsukishima, but not by much.
Maybe it was because I started to love Bleach again and this last chapter, after each chapter making it worse, just dashed all of my hopes?
Originally posted by Nephthys
You leave out a lot of ways of doing fantastic villians.
Not really, mostly because even "a tiny bit of imagination."
Originally posted by Nephthys
No not really. You posted it so I pointed out some stuff about it. My E-penis was not threatened o'ermuch tbh.
It was. Be honest, it shriveled up in fright like a scared turtle.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the dude that killed the most powerful Sith in history.stoned
Actually going by Star Wars logic, it wasn't Vader who killed Palpatine but Anakin. When he turned to the darkside in ROTS, he was gone and Vader was born but in ROTJ, Anakin came back and threw the Emperor down a hole so in truth, Vader wasn't the one who killed the most powerful Sith in history.
Originally posted by Nemesis X
Actually going by Star Wars logic, it wasn't Vader who killed Palpatine but Anakin. When he turned to the darkside in ROTS, he was gone and Vader was born but in ROTJ, Anakin came back and threw the Emperor down a hole so in truth, Vader wasn't the one who killed the most powerful Sith in history.
I thought of that before I posted. He was Vader until the very end. He demanded Luke leave him for a reason: he did not truly feel like he redeemed himself to able to be called "Anakin" again. So in that regard, Vader never stopped being Vader until the very end by his own estimates but he did make a massive change of heart by killing the emperor.
Some fans say that Vader was Vader until his mask was removed by Luke. It was at the moment he decided to give up his life to see his boy for the first time (a selfless act only done in love for his son because it would kill him to remove his mask) that he became Anakin. Killing someone is not really being "good". It is giving up your life out of love that is seen as "good" so in that regard, no, Vader did not become Anakin until he had Luke remove his mask.
Though that entire dialogue is suspect since his suit was fried, the death star was about to blow, and he was going to die unless he got off the ship and got his suit repaired.
I call CIS, though: Luke could have just force TK pulled Vader off of the ship with ease. His TK had developed enough by RotJ that he could have easily accomplished that task. It was just simple CIS. However, Vader did not want to leave or be redeemed (because he was still Vader and did not forgive himself yet).
Vader just knew he was going to die anyway because his life-support was damaged and he wanted to look at Luke with his own eyes before he snuffed it. He was going to die whether he took the mask off or not.
'In response to Luke's protest that he would die without the mask, Skywalker responded "Nothing can stop that now. Just for once, let me look on you with my own eyes."'