Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaThey're all old, chronologically. Soul Society years and Human years are different.
Shouldn't he be an old man chronologically speeking?Uryu would've worked better as a comparion IMO.
edit- No one gives Rukia shit about her age because she's not that strong. Toshiro is still a kid but is also one of the strongest captains. He's actually thee strongest Captain in the group from an age-proportion sense.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
They're all old, chronologically. Soul Society years and Human years are different.edit- No one gives Rukia shit about her age because she's not that strong. Toshiro is still a kid but is also one of the strongest captains. He's actually thee strongest Captain in the group from an age-proportion sense.
But Uryu is still a kid in both biological and chronological categories
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
She isnt young simply malnourished
edit: Rukia's a lieutenant that looks like a 12 year old. Then again there's another lieutenant who's younger than that. Nah, Toshiro is still one of the low/mid-tier captains.
Not by showings, he isn't. His weakest showing thus far has been against Lupii, though in the end he effortlessly destroyed him. Beyond that, he's consistently shown far more impressive showings than the majority of the other captains. Plus, there's quite a bit of implied ability implying how powerful he is, such as him becoming more powerful than Shunsei within a hundred years, which in the human equivalent of years isn't that long at all.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Toshiro Hitsugaya.
The Quincy are normal humans as far as we know, with the exception of the emperor as he lived a millennia ago.
The point is that she's a kid, and that she's a girl, consequently it should come across as odd if she was able to engage in a slugfest with Komamura without reducing his power. Hence why I believe that E stands for Enfeeblement, as part of writing is to appeal to the subconscious rationale of the readers.
Now could Bambietta be an absolute monster when it comes to physical strength? So much that she'd put both the Hulk and Superman to shame? Definitely, but it's less than likely.
To be fair, the ranking of the Espada is not based on efficiency, but rather their spiritual pressure. Some of the Espada were clearly superior due to unique abilities and overall better use of the spiritual pressure than their peers.
But you're right in than Tōshirō had the elemental advantage over Harribel.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Not by showings, he isn't. His weakest showing thus far has been against Lupii, though in the end he effortlessly destroyed him. Beyond that, he's consistently shown far more impressive showings than the majority of the other captains. Plus, there's quite a bit of implied ability implying how powerful he is, such as him becoming more powerful than Shunsei within a hundred years, which in the human equivalent of years isn't that long at all.
Actually yes. Hitsugaya's zanpakuto is essentially a direct parallel with Yamamoto. Factoring in Shinsui's statement, it's pretty clear that eventually Hitsugaya will be up there. Still a kid for now though. Not that it stops him from being better than a few captains.
Originally posted by Astner
Tōshirō is a prodigy, on top of that he's a Shinigami so he ages slower.The Quincy are normal humans as far as we know, with the exception of the emperor as he lived a millennia ago.
The point is that she's a kid, and that she's a girl, consequently it should come across as odd if she was able to engage in a slugfest with Komamura without reducing his power. Hence why I believe that E stands for Enfeeblement, as part of writing is to appeal to the subconscious rationale of the readers.
Now could Bambietta be an absolute monster when it comes to physical strength? So much that she'd put both the Hulk and Superman to shame? Definitely, but it's less than likely.
I haven't seen her engage in a slugfest. He could very well still be stronger than her physically.
Originally posted by Astner
You missed my point.
Nah I get the point. She's a kid and young so you're speculating that her power probably accommodates for that. However, if we use Kirge and As for examples, her powers probably have something to do with her character, rather than helping them. I.e, Kirge acts like a Warden so "Jail" and As is scary so "Fear".
So "E" could be something like Elegance or Eagerness for all we know. 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wait, what?
Shunsui says Hitsugaya will probably be stronger than him in like a hundred years or so.
Didn't have anything to do with an elemental convenience. It's stated quite clearly in the manga that Halibel and Toshiro's elemental powers canceled each other out (his ice freezes her water which in turn gets melted by her boiling water). it's also stated quite clearly in the manga that he could have used that ultimate ice attack whenever he wanted, but didn't.
In chapter 359 it's explained that he holds back in every fight he's in, because he's afraid that if he unleashes the full might of his powers he might kill everyone in a 2.5 mile radius... which is a pretty insane distance of destruction, IIRC no other Captain has shown the ability to make an attack that large.
The only reason he even used his ultimate ice attack was because he felt that after having been reduced to half his normal power, it would be weak enough to not kill everyone. That's pretty powerful.
As for Halibel, it's stated in chapter 354 that the Espada are numbered from 0-10 based upon how powerful they are. So, showings are not, Halibel was still more powerful than any of the other Espada below her (though I suspect Ulquiorra's power wasn't gauged properly due to his second release).
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
In chapter 359 it's explained that he holds back in every fight he's in, because he's afraid that if he unleashes the full might of his powers he might kill everyone in a 2.5 mile radius... which is a pretty insane distance of destruction, IIRC no other Captain has shown the ability to make an attack that large.
Well Yamamoto could. Since it's implied that his full power would effectively destroy an entire city or more. And I think that was just his Shikai.
But that's just another parallel between the two. Hmm. Hitsugaya is probably my second favorite captain(not counting Yoruichi since she isn't one).
Originally posted by Astner
To be fair, the ranking of the Espada is not based on efficiency, but rather their spiritual pressure. Some of the Espada were clearly superior due to unique abilities and overall better use of the spiritual pressure than their peers.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
Didn't have anything to do with an elemental convenience. It's stated quite clearly in the manga that Halibel and Toshiro's elemental powers canceled each other out (his ice freezes her water which in turn gets melted by her boiling water). it's also stated quite clearly in the manga that he could have used that ultimate ice attack whenever he wanted, but didn't.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
In chapter 359 it's explained that he holds back in every fight he's in, because he's afraid that if he unleashes the full might of his powers he might kill everyone in a 2.5 mile radius... which is a pretty insane distance of destruction, IIRC no other Captain has shown the ability to make an attack that large.
Wasn't that just Toshiro referring back to something he said about his shikai way back in Soul Society? It was in a flash-back box and everthing. Plus I doubt he would hold back his full power in the two instances he almost died prior to the war.
I'd also argue Soi-fon's nuke could compete with that but whatever.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
The only reason he even used his ultimate ice attack was because he felt that after having been reduced to half his normal power, it would be weak enough to not kill everyone. That's pretty powerful.As for Halibel, it's stated in chapter 354 that the Espada are numbered from 0-10 based upon how powerful they are. So, showings are not, Halibel was still more powerful than any of the other Espada below her (though I suspect Ulquiorra's power wasn't gauged properly due to his second release).
Wasn't it addressed earlier in the series that the ice pedals were an indicator of a time limit of sorts. I didn't notice Toshiro making a description that less flowers>>decrease in bankai power during the fight so I'm not sure if the time limit theory was ever disproven.
That's also doubtful considering how both Grimmjow and Ulquiorra were able to hold back Ichigo's bankai in their base forms while Toshiro was able to keep up with Halibel for a length of time w/o releasing his bankai and even afterward didn't appear to struggle much. That would imply that Toshiro>1st release Ulquiorra>masked bankai Ichigo which doesn't make much sense unless Ichigo became drastically weaker than Toshiro during that time.
edit: Toshiro does have potential and is most likely to succeed Yamamoto in time however he's mid-tier as of now IMO.
Well really nothing in Soul Society suggests that Hitsugaya is weaker than Ichigo(Databook says he is weaker than Byakuya if we go by stats though). He engaged in a fight with Gin but that was entirely Shikai and interrupted. He then lost to Aizen but that's hardly an indicator since all of Soul Society loses to Aizen.