Counting them all -- except for the ones prior to the Soul Society arc -- mine would be:
[list=1][*]Mayuri Kurotsuchi
[*]Shinji Hirako
[*]Gin Ichimaru
[*]The 11th Kenpachi
[*]Suì-Fēng
[*]Sōsuke Aizen
[*]Shunsui Kyōraku
[*]Kensei Muguruma
[*]Jūshirō Ukitake
[*]Genryūsai Shigekuni Yamamoto
[*]Byakuya Kuchiki
[*]Tōshirō Hitsugaya
[*]Rōjūrō Ōtoribashi
[*]Sajin Komamura
[*]Retsu Unohana
[*]Kaname Tōsen
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Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaNo, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.
[B]Really, I thought he didn't know how it would turn out since he never tried the ultimate attack before in bankai.
Toshiro was keeping up with her just fine even though she was stronger than a dude who shit-stomper Ichigo.So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
Wasn't that just Toshiro referring back to something he said about his shikai way back in Soul Society? It was in a flash-back box and everthing.No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
Plus I doubt he would hold back his full power in the two instances he almost died prior to the war.He wouldn't kill all of his allies who are around him just to save himself.
Wasn't it addressed earlier in the series that the ice pedals were an indicator of a time limit of sorts. I didn't notice Toshiro making a description that less flowers>>decrease in bankai power during the fight so I'm not sure if the time limit theory was ever disproven.No, he specifically states that the ice petals on his wings represent how much power he has left. The less there are, the weaker he is.
That's also doubtful considering how both Grimmjow and Ulquiorra were able to hold back Ichigo's bankai in their base forms while Toshiro was able to keep up with Halibel for a length of time w/o releasing his bankai and even afterward didn't appear to struggle much. That would imply that Toshiro>1st release Ulquiorra>masked bankai Ichigo which doesn't make much sense unless Ichigo became drastically weaker than Toshiro during that time.So? It was never stated that Ichigo was stronger than Hitsugaya. Again, the manga implying that Toshiro defeating an opponent who's stronger than the opponents Ichigo faced simply means that Toshiro defeated opponents stronger than the ones Ichigo fought. Wishing that wasn't true doesn't mean that it's not.
As for Lupii, the manga makes it clear that the fight with Halibel is basically the only fight where he's ever not held back, and even then, he only did so after getting reduced to 50% of his normal strength.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
I will never understand why people like Kensei. The extent he has done is fight with Wonderweiss before getting beaten offscreen.That's really all he has done lol.
No one cares about a character's combat efficiency. Or at the very least it plays a very little role in how likable the character is.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.
Still it appeared to me that he was cautios because he hadn't used the ability in bankai before.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
Considering Toshiro couldn't do much to Yammy in shikai yet was keeping up with Halibel does make Halibel look kind of weak. Plus the three espada below her have all demonstrated better skill in swordsmanship, hierro, and cero than Halibel has. To top it off Lisa and Hiyori weren't being decimated when taking on Halibel in close combat while she was released. So yeah Halibel did underperform at that point.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
He wouldn't kill all of his allies who are around him just to save himself.
No, he specifically states that the ice petals on his wings represent how much power he has left. The less there are, the weaker he is.
So? It was never stated that Ichigo was stronger than Hitsugaya. Again, the manga implying that Toshiro defeating an opponent who's stronger than the opponents Ichigo faced simply means that Toshiro defeated opponents stronger than the ones Ichigo fought. Wishing that wasn't true doesn't mean that it's not.
As for Lupii, the manga makes it clear that the fight with Halibel is basically the only fight where he's ever not held back, and even then, he only did so after getting reduced to 50% of his normal strength.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
He wouldn't kill all of his allies who are around him just to save himself.
No, he specifically states that the ice petals on his wings represent how much power he has left. The less there are, the weaker he is.
So? It was never stated that Ichigo was stronger than Hitsugaya. Again, the manga implying that Toshiro defeating an opponent who's stronger than the opponents Ichigo faced simply means that Toshiro defeated opponents stronger than the ones Ichigo fought. Wishing that wasn't true doesn't mean that it's not.
As for Lupii, the manga makes it clear that the fight with Halibel is basically the only fight where he's ever not held back, and even then, he only did so after getting reduced to 50% of his normal strength.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
He wouldn't kill all of his allies who are around him just to save himself.
No, he specifically states that the ice petals on his wings represent how much power he has left. The less there are, the weaker he is.
So? It was never stated that Ichigo was stronger than Hitsugaya. Again, the manga implying that Toshiro defeating an opponent who's stronger than the opponents Ichigo faced simply means that Toshiro defeated opponents stronger than the ones Ichigo fought. Wishing that wasn't true doesn't mean that it's not.
As for Lupii, the manga makes it clear that the fight with Halibel is basically the only fight where he's ever not held back, and even then, he only did so after getting reduced to 50% of his normal strength.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
No, he states that he refuses to use it in Bankai because of its destructive power.So? That just means Toshiro is incredibly strong, not that Halibel is weak. You're proving my point.
No, he was referring to his ultimate bankai attack. He was basically planning on using it against Gin.
He wouldn't kill all of his allies who are around him just to save himself.
No, he specifically states that the ice petals on his wings represent how much power he has left. The less there are, the weaker he is.
So? It was never stated that Ichigo was stronger than Hitsugaya. Again, the manga implying that Toshiro defeating an opponent who's stronger than the opponents Ichigo faced simply means that Toshiro defeated opponents stronger than the ones Ichigo fought. Wishing that wasn't true doesn't mean that it's not.
As for Lupii, the manga makes it clear that the fight with Halibel is basically the only fight where he's ever not held back, and even then, he only did so after getting reduced to 50% of his normal strength.
Originally posted by Astner
He has an interesting character design, his Zanpakutō becomes a knife in its released state but it's still far-reaching due to its ability to manipulate the wind, and he has a decent persona as well.No one cares about a character's combat efficiency. Or at the very least it plays a very little role in how likable the character is.
I disagree. I think his design is dull, and while his Shikai is cool, his bankai always struck me as underwhelming compared to say Ikkaku's(who will always have a cool looking bankai, despite how much I loathe him), and his personality is just...boring.
You'd be surprised. If they're efficient in combat, they'll have a lot of moments to look cool. Though the comment wasn't just about combat, just more in general not really knowing what he's done to get people to like him. At least Love and Lisa looked at porn, which is relatable.
Ignore the above statemens of messy quotes and B.S I'm dealing with this ****ing Computer messing up on me now.
But I will state that I find it difficult to believe that Toshiro was powerful enough to deal with Halibel despite his performance in Karaku suggesting otherwise. Dude couldn't defend against Luppi's attack when he first released and couldn't hurt Yammy in shikai while he was in base...which shouldn't have been a problem if he was powerful enough to deal with Halibel at base when he wasn't using bankai.
Just saying that I don't really buy that Toshiro was holding back considering how he had trouble with Luppi. Then there's Halibel crappy alternatives after her strongest attacks have been rendered useless, which is due to the elemental advantage he had, which made it even more difficult to believe. Based on showings Halibel's ceros were much weaker than both Ulquiorra or Grimmjows.
Just seems odd that Toshiro turns out to be stronger than Ichigo when Ichigo had better performance than him once he learned how to use his mask.
Hitsugaya was getting fended off by Harribel while Harribel was also fighting two Visords.
He took her by surprise with a trump card no one knew he had. That's all.
Oh, and Kenny and Byakuya's showing against Yammy, an Espada much stronger than Harribel, and when he was in Hueco Mundo no less, means that they are tuffer than Hitsugaya is. :3
Originally posted by AuraAngel
I will never understand why people like Kensei. The extent he has done is fight with Wonderweiss before getting beaten offscreen.That's really all he has done lol.
Originally posted by Tzeentch._
So, you don't like the idea of Hitsugaya defeating foes more powerful than the ones Ichigo fought because that goes against what you think of Hitsugaya.Oh..kay?
No, I don't like how Toshiro goes from underperforming in Karaku town to stalemating someone who should be stronger than a person Ichigo fought.
Then there's the fact that Halibel's strongest attacks were renderred useless due to an elemental covinience despite having a larger AoE that Toshiro's attacks bar the ultimate one.