The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Kenpachi only said that his sword was in its true form. He clearly knew that he had to know it's name, because he asked it after that fight.

it doesn't make sense that Kenny's zanpakuto was in constant shikai mode because it looked like a regular sword. the "bastardized" version of a shikai (like Yumichika's and Renji's) only happens when you call the spirit by the wrong name... Kenny didn't know ANY name.

I'm back to being 100% convinced that his sword was never previously in shikai mode, and he was simply fighting with an unreleased sword.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That works as an explanation to clear up the plothole.

However, the author has yet to write that so it still remains a plothole. 🙁

Yea because then again for your sword to even be released dont you at least have to know a name for the sword....

But then again kenny always called his sword HIM so that could have been the incorrect name that was spoken

Ugh its confusing kubo needs to hurry up and clarify

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope, still the same blade as all the others. Kisake may have modified his hilt after coming to the real world.

He did.
His sealed sword still looks different though as it is straight, and you never specified, so you lose. doped

It would have been cool if kenpachi's shikai ended up looking like cloud from ff7's buster sword.

Ah to dream lol

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
His sealed sword still looks different though as it is straight, and you never specified, so you lose. doped

I checked. Nothing corroborates or supports this statement of yours.

Here is his sword before he modified it:

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-584-10/bleach/chapter-130.html

Looks just like every other sealed sword. The variations between different sealed swords is almost entirely negligible compared to Shikai and Bankai differences. If you want to fret over the differences between, for example, a katana and a wakizashi, that's quite alright but it misses my point entirely and does not contradict what I stated.

I would note that I did not say "Name one sealed zanpakuto that looks exactly like the regular swords that are sealed..."

Had I said that, you might have a point. Since I didn't, you don't. 🙂

Also, I would note that zanpakuto are portrayed as both straight and slightly curved even when it is the same weapon: artistic "creativity" by Kubo.

I wonder if Kenny will fight Bach?

I'm thinking Bach might get double teamed. Or Kenny will give his all and still get his ass kicked by Bach.

I just want to see how powerful hachswald is in comparison to the others. Also want to see Ukitaki wtfpwn someone while in bankai.

Originally posted by ThorinWoofer
I wonder if Kenny will fight Bach?

I'm thinking Bach might get double teamed. Or Kenny will give his all and still get his ass kicked by Bach.

I just want to see how powerful hachswald is in comparison to the others. Also want to see Ukitaki wtfpwn someone while in bankai.

I wanna see ukitake's bankai too but his sickness might limit him

Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope, still the same blade as all the others. Kisake may have modified his hilt after coming to the real world.

Originally posted by BloodRain
,What of Ichigo's first blade?

That was explained.

Ichigo was an untrained Shinigami who could not properly form his blade. Also, his blade was un-suppressed. Ichigo stole most of Rukia's spiritual power (rieryoku) when she stabbed him. Then comes in the "un-suppressed sword is proportional to spiritual power" and captains would be wielding sky-scrapers. Basically, Ichigo was pretty damn weak compared to captains and Kenpachi, though carrying around an un-suppressed sword, apparently focuses the shit out of his zanpakuto power.*

It has never been explained how a shinigami goes from regular zanpakuto to a suppressed one (which is what almost all carry around when they make it into the Gotei 13...I assume they learn this at the academy. Ichigo did not have the benefit of the academy).

*I have a theory as to why Kenpachi's sword changed when he used his real shikai. Kenpachi's un-suppressed sword is as big as some shinigami's bankai because he has so much power (it reminds me of Ikkaku's Bankai). So, naturally, his real shikai would be a lot bigger.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I checked. Nothing corroborates or supports this statement of yours.

Here is his sword before he modified it:

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-584-10/bleach/chapter-130.html

Looks just like every other sealed sword. The variations between different sealed swords is almost entirely negligible compared to Shikai and Bankai differences. If you want to fret over the differences between, for example, a katana and a wakizashi, that's quite alright but it misses my point entirely and does not contradict what I stated.

I would note that I did not say "Name one sealed zanpakuto that looks exactly like the regular swords that are sealed..."

Had I said that, you might have a point. Since I didn't, you don't. 🙂

Also, I would note that zanpakuto are portrayed as both straight and slightly curved even when it is the same weapon: artistic "creativity" by Kubo.

You said "Name one sealed zanpakuto that doesn't look like the regular swords that are sealed," in an effort to argue that Kenpachi's sword (which looked like an oversized sealed sword) was constantly released? So what was your point?

Kisuke's sealed Benihime (after his defection) doesn't look like other sealed Zanpakuto. Every sealed sword has its own little differences if you want to fret over it.
Zanpakuto are malleable, as proven by Renji, Ichigo, Yumichika, and pretty much every Shinigami who imprints upon one of Oetsu's Asauchi and can control the size.

So basically, we're just arguing pointless drivel over the differences in looks of sealed zanpakuto that you're using to justify Kenpachi's constantly released Shikai, which at the end of the day, looked like an ordinary katana.

If I were you, I'd use Yumichika, and Renji's prowess with their Zanpakuto to further justify this stance (beyond Zaraki's own statement). They all never used (or could never use) the true powers of their Zanpakuto due to issues with their Zanpakuto's name, yet they were still able to access Shikai, and in the latter case, Bankai.

And this wouldn't be the first Kubo wrote in stupid shit. Just a year or so ago, we had that shapeshifting dude saying shikai and bankai did not have unrelated abilities, something that Soi Feng disagrees with.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You said "Name one sealed zanpakuto that doesn't look like the regular swords that are sealed," in an effort to argue that Kenpachi's sword (which looked like an oversized sealed sword) was constantly released? So what was your point?

I thought my point was pretty obvious.

All the sealed swords look like each other so those people who are claiming that Kenpachi's sword was sealed* have an uphill battle to prove it was a sealed sword when:

1. It was stated that his sword was not sealed by both Ichigo and Kenpachi.
2. No other sealed sword looks like Kenpachis (and all other sealed swords look like each other).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kisuke's sealed Benihime (after his defection) doesn't look like other sealed Zanpakuto.

No it doesn't. You are referring to his sword that he modified after he came to the real world to conceal his identify. The blade is the same and looks just like every other sealed sword. His original sealed sword looks like every other sealed sword and I posted a scan of that to prove that.

The hilt does not a sword make. When Yamamoto pulls out his sword from being hidden in his cane, the blade strongly resembles all other sealed swords except for the flames, of course. 😄

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Every sealed sword has its own little differences if you want to fret over it.

Had I wanted to, I would have used other language such as "Name one sealed zanpakuto that looks exactly like the regular swords that are sealed..."

Since I didn't, no, there is no reason to fret over minutia specifically for the reason of missing my point and arguing. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Zanpakuto are malleable, as proven by Renji, Ichigo, Yumichika, and pretty much every Shinigami who imprints upon one of Oetsu's Asauchi and can control the size.

And yet, my point still stands. All of the sealed swords of the shinigami look like each other. Compare to Kenpachi's. 🙂

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So basically, we're just arguing pointless drivel over the differences in looks of sealed zanpakuto that you're using to justify Kenpachi's constantly released Shikai, which at the end of the day, looked like an ordinary katana.

Incorrect.

His sword had a jagged edge which would specifically exclude it from looking like a Katana or any other similar sword. That's a very huge difference between that sword and all other sealed swords. The length of the blade is another issue, as well: the sword is much too long. The lack of a hand guard is another issue.

I thought the jagged edge on Kenpachi's sword was due to some sort of misuse?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought my point was pretty obvious.

All the sealed swords look like each other so those people who are claiming that Kenpachi's sword was sealed* have an uphill battle to prove it was a sealed sword when:

1. It was stated that his sword was not sealed by both Ichigo and Kenpachi.
2. No other sealed sword looks like Kenpachis (and all other sealed swords look like each other).

Just making sure you're not basing it all entirely on looks.

Oh, and:

3. Kubo's databook states that Kenpachi was using Shikai.

Still, wouldn't be the first time Kubo's retconned his own stuff.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No it doesn't. You are referring to his sword that he modified after he came to the real world to conceal his identify. The blade is the same and looks just like every other sealed sword. His original sealed sword looks like every other sealed sword and I posted a scan of that to prove that.

The hilt does not a sword make.

I agree it's the same as every other sealed sword. It still doesn't look like every most sealed swords however. Post defection, it's straight (not due to artistic choice either like you seem to think, as it is always drawn straight, which it has to be, since his cane is not curved), thinner, and has a thrusting edge that is shaped differently.

Yamamoto's sword modifications in no way change the fact that Urahara's sword is modified differently.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Had I wanted to, I would have used other language such as "Name one sealed zanpakuto that looks exactly like the regular swords that are sealed..."

You mean syntax. vin

Originally posted by dadudemon
And yet, my point still stands. All of the sealed swords of the shinigami look like each other. Compare to Kenpachi's. 🙂

Except Zaraki's sword looked like a lot like every other sealed sword prior to him saying the release command.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect.

His sword had a jagged edge which would specifically exclude it from looking like a Katana or any other similar sword. That's a very huge difference between that sword and all other sealed swords. The length of the blade is another issue, as well: the sword is much too long. The lack of a hand guard is another issue.

Different length proves nothing since there are sealed swords of varying length.
Neither does the modified/stylized tsuba/guard. Every shinigami is shown with their own personalized tsuba.
The worn-out edge is the only thing that has any bearing here.
As does the lack of a proper Saya/scabbard, which you never pointed out, so you can't use, and it still isn't based on looks. sneer

So no.

Feel free to get the last word in. I'll just wait to see if Kubo further defines this whole rather pointless point on the state of Zaraki's sword.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Just making sure you're not basing it all entirely on looks.

Oh, and:

3. Kubo's databook states that Kenpachi was using Shikai.

Still, wouldn't be the first time Kubo's retconned his own stuff.

Well...that kind of changes things. So it is that other dude's idea of why Kenpachi's sword changed?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I agree it's the same as every other sealed sword. It still doesn't look like every most sealed swords however. Post defection, it's straight (not due to artistic choice either like you seem to think, as it is always drawn straight, which it has to be, since his cane is not curved), thinner, and has a thrusting edge that is shaped differently.

Yamamoto's sword modifications in no way change the fact that Urahara's sword is modified differently.

Go back through some of the older chapters. You'll see what I'm talking about. The same swords will sometimes be straight, curved, shorter, longer. It is...variable. He is not very consistent. I even showed where Ichigo's sword hilt changed actual size a while back (Astner did not like that).

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean syntax. vin

No, I meant "language." Part of my job is legal contracts. When we modify the content of a contract, we say, "modify the language of the contract."

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Except Zaraki's sword looked like a lot like every other sealed sword prior to him saying the release command.

Except it didn't at all?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Different length proves nothing since there are sealed swords of varying length.

Incorrect. Kenpachi's is so much longer than the others that it does not fall within the standard blade types the others swords do. In statistics, we call this a deviation statistic.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Neither does the modified/stylized tsuba/guard. Every shinigami is shown with their own personalized tsuba.

I think you just proved my point, here: Kenpachi's doesn't even have a guard.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The worn-out edge is the only thing that has any bearing here.

Well, the length and the lack of a guard also have a bearing, here. 😄

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As does the lack of a proper Saya/scabbard, which you never pointed out, so you can't use, and it still isn't based on looks. sneer

Nope, I can use it. I'm adding it. My list is not 4 points long. 😄

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Feel free to get the last word in. I'll just wait to see if Kubo further defines this whole rather pointless point on the state of Zaraki's sword.

Okay:

"last word"

peaches

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well...that kind of changes things. So it is that other dude's idea of why Kenpachi's sword changed?

Go back through some of the older chapters. You'll see what I'm talking about. The same swords will sometimes be straight, curved, shorter, longer. It is...variable. He is not very consistent. I even showed where Ichigo's sword hilt changed actual size a while back (Astner did not like that).

No idea. But I'm pretty sure the databook states that Kenpachi's sword was a shikai. So yeah.

Other sealed swords may vary due to artistic differences. The norm for Kisuke's sealed sword is a straight one, at least post-defection. Which IMO, makes sense, since his cane is usually drawn straight. A curved sword wouldn't fit inside a straight cane.

Goddamn, wait for the next chapter. The Zanpakutō was shown at the last page of the last chapter. There's probably an explanation for it coming soon.

What bullshit. If Kubo doesn't somehow fix this in the next chapter then I'm dropping

Using space against Kenpachi was pretty cool.

That is about it. If this really is the end then that is lame. If not my guess is he'll go Angel Mode and then Kenpachi goes Bankai to win.

It was pretty cool indeed.

That being said, I don't really mind the ending since that guy was thinking of Kenpachi as a monster that would kill him. And thanks to his Quincy power, that is exactly what happened.

Gremmy sucks the best thing he did was that makeshift kuroshitsugi hado