We believe it's trash because of the way it's written. The Vong are supposedly 'Froce Resistant' which utter shit since it's impossible, and this rule is broken throughout the book, mostly by Luke. It's just stuid how they make this invincible army and the only person who can destroy it is Luke.
And the introduction of the philosphy," There is no Dark Side, there is only the force". Now that's bullshit. That goes against everything in the movies. And everything else in the Star Wars universe.
Originally posted by HimoKun
We believe it's trash because of the way it's written. The Vong are supposedly 'Froce Resistant' which utter shit since it's impossible, and this rule is broken throughout the book, mostly by Luke. It's just stuid how they make this invincible army and the only person who can destroy it is Luke.And the introduction of the philosphy," There is no Dark Side, there is only the force". Now that's bullshit. That goes against everything in the movies. And everything else in the Star Wars universe.
The Echani Handmaiden's in KOTOR II are force resistent, save for 'The Last of the Handmaidens'. I have not read the books, but it does seem interesting.
As for the 'There is no Dark Side, there is only the force" is true (in EU), and I like this. The KOTOR shows this aspect. The movies are merely a mythological representation of ones self. I wouldn't say it is perfectly presented. In fact by saying there is no light and dark is up closer to 'Jungian' terms. There are negative and positive aspects yes, but neither one is the best. The harmonization between the two is. The SW movies are a conflict with one shadow, and contains other archetypal images that go in hand. In fact with how easily Jedi fall shows that they are not the perfect way, and that they are not in harmony.
Originally posted by Neutrality
The Echani Handmaiden's in KOTOR II are force resistent, save for 'The Last of the Handmaidens'. I have not read the books, but it does seem interesting.As for the 'There is no Dark Side, there is only the force" is true (in EU), and I like this. The KOTOR shows this aspect. The movies are merely a mythological representation of ones self. I wouldn't say it is perfectly presented. In fact by saying there is no light and dark is up closer to 'Jungian' terms. There are negative and positive aspects yes, but neither one is the best. The harmonization between the two is. The SW movies are a conflict with one shadow, and contains other archetypal images that go in hand. In fact with how easily Jedi fall shows that they are not the perfect way, and that they are not in harmony.
No, it is not represented in KOTOR. It is only brought into play by NJO, and that's bullshit since the whole Idea of the STar Wars universe is that the Dark Side is bad and the center of evil, and The Light Side is Good. That is what Lucas invisioned it, and since he's God of Star Wars, that's the way it is.
And everyone is connected to the force. The force is what makes people live.
Originally posted by NeutralityMan, we say it's bullsh*t because that's how SW started out--Light Side good, Dark Side bad. Luke was the hero of the movies, and he saved everybody in a relatively reasonable way.
The Echani Handmaiden's in KOTOR II are force resistent, save for 'The Last of the Handmaidens'. I have not read the books, but it does seem interesting.As for the 'There is no Dark Side, there is only the force" is true (in EU), and I like this. The KOTOR shows this aspect. The movies are merely a mythological representation of ones self. I wouldn't say it is perfectly presented. In fact by saying there is no light and dark is up closer to 'Jungian' terms. There are negative and positive aspects yes, but neither one is the best. The harmonization between the two is. The SW movies are a conflict with one shadow, and contains other archetypal images that go in hand. In fact with how easily Jedi fall shows that they are not the perfect way, and that they are not in harmony.
Farm boy sought out by mad hermit, makes pirate friends, learns the Force, saves the princess and destroys the evil gov't and becomes a hero.
A little cliched but feasible.
The NJO turns that "lovable" hero into some sort of demi-god that is the only one that can save the entire galaxy from an even more powerful threat than the Empire...YET AGAIN.
They ruin our cult like view of the Force by getting rid of the Bad versus Good and saying there IS no Bad or Good, no Light or Dark. Hell that throws the perspective of the universe off. (sorry for getting philosophical) Alot of Human history AND SW history is Good vs. Bad.
Now though, in a war against an enemy that is immune to the Force, (which is proven wrong by our Demi-God hero) thousands of years of Good against Bad, Light against Dark is proven useless and futile, in only 5 short years.
5 years! and suddenly all problems facing the Jedi in the past 20 000 years become vain.
Anyways......that's my opinion of NJO.
Oh and to xxxpoppunker182, the books start gettin f*cked around the middle, or so.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Man, we say it's bullsh*t because that's how SW started out--Light Side good, Dark Side bad. Luke was the hero of the movies, and he saved everybody in a relatively reasonable way.Farm boy sought out by mad hermit, makes pirate friends, learns the Force, saves the princess and destroys the evil gov't and becomes a hero.
A little cliched but feasible.
The NJO turns that "lovable" hero into some sort of demi-god that is the only one that can save the entire galaxy from an even more powerful threat than the Empire...YET AGAIN.
They ruin our cult like view of the Force by getting rid of the Bad versus Good and saying there IS no Bad or Good, no Light or Dark. Hell that throws the perspective of the universe off. (sorry for getting philosophical) Alot of Human history AND SW history is Good vs. Bad.
Now though, in a war against an enemy that is immune to the Force, (which is proven wrong by our Demi-God hero) thousands of years of Good against Bad, Light against Dark is proven useless and futile, in only 5 short years.
5 years! and suddenly all problems facing the Jedi in the past 20 000 years become vain.
Anyways......that's my opinion of NJO.
Oh and to xxxpoppunker182, the books start gettin f*cked around the middle, or so.
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Philosophical, I doubt it. Since GL got the mythological archetypes from Jung. Jung stated there is no good or evil when you plainly explain the myth. GL made the myth, he didn't make plain truth. The myth being the truth covered up by fantasy. The light and dark are merely a delictical confrontation, just like thinking/feeling, introversion/extroversion, up/down. This is what history tells, so your veiw on history is flawed, for it is merely a dilectical confrontation. West(capitalism) vs East (communism). Neither is good or evil, but according to one side the other side is evil.
If sith kill for no reason, then they are psychotic and suffer from neurotic dissociation. If we tlak about power, power is not evil, it is merely negative animus or had lost touch with the anima (Jung speak). I already mention this once on this board. Anakin became Vadar because he lost touch of his anima (latin for feminine). This is shown through the loss of his mother and his lover Padme. Leia would be the understanding of the anima with Luke, and why he never got the urge for power.
HimoKun, KOTOR give that POV with Kreia and Revan.
I fail to understand the purpose of you saying this:
And everyone is connected to the force. The force is what makes people live.
Originally posted by NeutralityYeah, you're human points are true.
Philosophical, I doubt it. Since GL got the mythological archetypes from Jung. Jung stated there is no good or evil when you plainly explain the myth. GL made the myth, he didn't make plain truth. The myth being the truth covered up by fantasy. The light and dark are merely a delictical confrontation, just like thinking/feeling, introversion/extroversion, up/down. This is what history tells, so your veiw on history is flawed, for it is merely a dilectical confrontation. West(capitalism) vs East (communism). Neither is good or evil, but according to one side the other side is evil.
If sith kill for no reason, then they are psychotic and suffer from neurotic dissociation. If we tlak about power, power is not evil, it is merely negative animus or had lost touch with the anima (Jung speak). I already mention this once on this board. Anakin became Vadar because he lost touch of his anima (latin for feminine). This is shown through the loss of his mother and his lover Padme. Leia would be the understanding of the anima with Luke, and why he never got the urge for power.HimoKun, KOTOR give that POV with Kreia and Revan.
I fail to understand the purpose of you saying this:
And everyone is connected to the force. The force is what makes people live.
But since this is about Star Wars, in which their IS good and evil, it makes sense.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah, you're human points are true.But since this is about Star Wars, in which their IS good and evil, it makes sense.
So then why did you say that human history (along with SW) is a conflict between good and evil?
Secondly SW is about bringing a balance to the force.
Look up the archetypes. GL spend two years before SW researching mythological archetypes (Most likely got it from Jung who said to achieve individuation is the harmonizing of the conscious(Light) and unconscious(Dark)). I suggest you do the same so can you can understand better.
Star Wars is among the easier mythologies to understand, reading the myth of religion is far more complicated, and why there is so much neurotic dissasociation today, especally in Islam. It has been so hard for me to find anything there, except with Mary(anima/earth mother) or Khidr(shadow). To my surprise Christianity is full of it despite the state of Christian majority lands. Buddhism is well straight out in the open, next to no mythology there speaking directly about achieving harmony. Greek myths are good to, a lot that are similar to Anakins fall. Dealing with those wanting to achieve power only to fall or going insane. Since Alexander just came out on DVD, they (through King Philip) explain most of those 'falling from might' myths, that even a real person such as Alexander fell victim to(dependimg if he was poisoned or died of typhoid).
Originally posted by Neutrality
Philosophical, I doubt it. Since GL got the mythological archetypes from Jung. Jung stated there is no good or evil when you plainly explain the myth. GL made the myth, he didn't make plain truth. The myth being the truth covered up by fantasy. The light and dark are merely a delictical confrontation, just like thinking/feeling, introversion/extroversion, up/down. This is what history tells, so your veiw on history is flawed, for it is merely a dilectical confrontation. West(capitalism) vs East (communism). Neither is good or evil, but according to one side the other side is evil.
If sith kill for no reason, then they are psychotic and suffer from neurotic dissociation. If we tlak about power, power is not evil, it is merely negative animus or had lost touch with the anima (Jung speak). I already mention this once on this board. Anakin became Vadar because he lost touch of his anima (latin for feminine). This is shown through the loss of his mother and his lover Padme. Leia would be the understanding of the anima with Luke, and why he never got the urge for power.HimoKun, KOTOR give that POV with Kreia and Revan.
I fail to understand the purpose of you saying this:
And everyone is connected to the force. The force is what makes people live.
No, nowhere in KOTOR does in give a POV.
There is only good and evil in Star Wars. You are basing off everything you say off of a assumption that Lucas actually did use this guy's philosphy.
And if he did base it off of Jung, there is too many examples that will prove you wrong. It is not Power that is evil, but lusting for power leads you to the dark side, which is evil. Star Wars is Good vs. Evil, as is shown in everything.
I suggest you listen to the words of Kreia more carefully.
From http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/lucas/archive/1/1.html
George Lucas: That’s a complex topic. More than I have time to answer here. What I can tell you is that you need to read the books by Joseph Campbell that explore the ideas of myths in various cultures. I’m just telling the same stories that people have been telling for thousands of years. I tried to put my own twist on things, but essentially Star Wars is nothing new.
Joseph Campbell was influenced by Jung, I have read much about JC, and CJ. If Lucas says they are actually about good overcoming evil, than GL has missed the point that CJ and JC made. That is there is a conflict between two opposites that are trying to make a balance, like bringing balance to the force.
Now you never mentioned thing that prove me wrong, plus 'lust' and 'urge' are the same thing (I suggest reading - I never said power is evil, and said urge (lust) for power), except urge is more general, and you didn't clarify 'is shown in everything'.
Originally posted by Neutrality
I suggest you listen to the words of Kreia more carefully.From http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/lucas/archive/1/1.html
Joseph Campbell was influenced by Jung, I have read much about JC, and CJ. If Lucas says they are actually about good overcoming evil, than GL has missed the point that CJ and JC made. That is there is a conflict between two opposites that are trying to make a balance, like bringing balance to the force.
Now you never mentioned thing that prove me wrong, plus 'lust' and 'urge' are the same thing (I suggest reading - I never said power is evil, and said urge (lust) for power), except urge is more general, and you didn't clarify 'is shown in everything'.
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This is why your vision is so fvcked up. SUPERSHADOW IS A LYER. Just to tell you, that he lies about all that stuff. Here is a site which disprove him and brings him off as a complete phony:
Despite that, you may wish to do a google with George Lucas and "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"
Even the DVD special edition has him saying that he based the movies off of mythological archetypes. Infact the Bill Moyers and JC's Power of Myth was done at Skywalker Ranch.
Plus the site you gave is even more bogus than the supershadow one. If supershadow made it up, he obviously got the idea from somewhere.
Originally posted by Neutrality
Despite that, you may wish to do a google with George Lucas and "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"Plus the site you gave is even more bogus than the supershadow one. If supershadow made it up, he obviously got the idea from somewhere.
"Obviously'? Have you even read his site? All the things on heir are his own creation. His main source of information is his imagination. All those things are complete shit if you bring Supershadow in.
I see you didn't do the internet search than? I don't a f*** about some shadow guy. Even if he got it from his imagination, he somehow still managed to get it right. I was merely getting evidence.. even if the evidence is flawed, doesn't mean all the others that talk about Lucas reading "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" and "The Power of Myth" Interview with JC on Skywalker Ranch, etc are bogus.