Originally posted by Neutrality
Did I say solely?
It does not matter. Your total argument is that Lucas based his characters after archetypes in these guys' books.(Even though the orginal topic was NJO Bullshit about there is no sides but just the force vs. everything else in the Star Wars universe).
Originally posted by HimoKun
It does not matter. Your total argument is that Lucas based his characters after archetypes in these guys' books.(Even though the orginal topic was NJO Bullshit about there is no sides but just the force vs. everything else in the Star Wars universe).
Yes, there is only the force, and this is how it can be linked to Campbell and Jung when you remove the myth. Itis the myth which creates sides, and the social constructs that misunderstand these archetypes.
Originally posted by darthrevan89
Unless I am mistaken there is no such think as the Force in real life. So how can you compair it to real life characters save ancient myth?
In real term the force is like the Self, the ego is the Hero who struggles between two opposing aspects. The dark side being the hidden aspects - The Shadow - the unconscious. The Light being the conscious the visual espects of the self. At the end of ROTJ, Luke ego brings balance to the force (Self)
Originally posted by Neutrality
In real term the force is like the Self, the ego is the Hero who struggles between two opposing aspects. The dark side being the hidden aspects - The Shadow - the unconscious. The Light being the conscious the visual espects of the self. At the end of ROTJ, Luke ego brings balance to the force (Self)
You take this too far. Lucas made a movie, but he did not go that far into it. If he did, we'd have a famous philospher and not a producer.
Too true. I'm pretty, while in production of the movies, he wasn't sitting next to Stephen Spielberg, who was rambling on talking about Indiana Jones, and thought to himself, "Did Vader have any hidden aspects? And if he looked at his shadow did he fall unconscious? And what about Luke? Did he have such a huge ego that he sipped martini's between shoots?"
Originally posted by Neutrality
In real term the force is like the Self, the ego is the Hero who struggles between two opposing aspects. The dark side being the hidden aspects - The Shadow - the unconscious. The Light being the conscious the visual espects of the self. At the end of ROTJ, Luke ego brings balance to the force (Self)
My head hurts from trying to understand all this mumbo jumbo.
Originally posted by HimoKun
You take this too far. Lucas made a movie, but he did not go that far into it. If he did, we'd have a famous philospher and not a producer.
This is merely a view into the myth, all scholars that look into myth claim Star Wars in the myth of today, along with the Matrix, and Lord of the Rings. I am not sure about the Matrix, but Tolkin based LOTR on archetypes as well.
Nonetheless, it's what WE the viewers interpret. And Lucas made his movie into a space opera, and that is what we see. And that is what he meant for us to see.
Only people like Neutrality who delve into the movies' sub-consciuos see it as a tale of religious philosphy. I'm sure GL would be proud of you for doing it but he didn't create his movies for such time-wasting projects.
Sigh, I hate to bring this up again.
Umm, operas are myths, or would that be myths are operas. One just needs to look into the Greek myths and easily find that they are.
Also movies have no consciousness to even have the ability to take anything from the subconscious. And at last religious philosophy has nothing to do with what we have been talking about. We are talking about mythological archetypes.
It can not be time-wasting projects when there is no such project and when a person is well versed in such concepts that they can easily make these assumptions while watching reading, or experiencing such events.
Your lack of integration (mostly due to misunderstanding) is fascinating.