Originally posted by olympian
"I didnt put She hulk in the high class 100 category because according to hercules fans he was mortal when she did so although i did query this confusing hercules situation and got nothing credible back so i think its all rubbish anyway. "Until Marvel comes up with a standart point its always going to be. He was mortal yes. However late showings of him as mortal (that she hulk ish, Jurgens Thor in the first 15 issues, Avengers 12, and JlA/Avengers,) makes him close to the levels he was as immortal.
She Hulk winning does have some merit. If Mortal Hercules strenght in that ish was so slow like the Hulk/Hercules one shot for example, why would she be surprised at all by winning against him.
Another point i thought and considered about this. She actually shows more impressed being stronger than Hercules than being more than twice as strong as the Thing. (never less than class 85 to say the worst, and she lifted his max weight with one hand).
He isnt a high class 100 and thats not debatable. He is in the most recent hbooks given a 6 rating compared to high class 100 beings who are given a 7. No matter how messed up Marvels system is, with people lifting weights their class suggests they shouldnt be able to, you know that if someone is put in a higher class than another then theyre obviously stronger according to Marvel. Simple as that.
So yeah she probably is at immortal Hercules level after all.
The issues that bug me are the writter saying than even with - that - she wasent stronger than Hulk (wich doesnt make sense. He wrote Herc pretty close to immortal levels and that makes him in Hulks range of strenght) She should also be stronger.
About the Herc issue. Its a mess. Everyone says hes mortal but some wrote him as weak and others close to what he once was.
"Stop trying to get Namor accepted as a high class 100. He's not.
He is. Thats the class you can only give to a guy that wins against the Hulk and fights Hercules toe to toe. More than once. Do you consider him weaker than Wonder Man?
Your argument can be tho, is he a low, or high one?
Namor is not high class 100 that is not debatable. Marvels system is messed up with characters lifting way in excess of what their class suggests they should be able to. However what you do know is that if someone is put in a lower class than someone else then according to Marvel they are not as strong or the same level. Namor is class 6, high class 100's are level 7's. He's strong enough to engage high class 100's hand to hand , however in terms of raw strength he's not on their level
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Does lifting 150,000 tons give you high class rating?
Thor >= She-hulk = Hercules(immortal) > Namor > Wonderman > Thing
Originally posted by stormfront13
khell when was is it confirmed? i love shulkie so I prolly missed it
Originally posted by olympian
She Hulk winning does have some merit. If Mortal Hercules strenght in that ish was so slow like the Hulk/Hercules one shot for example, why would she be surprised at all by winning against him.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor is not high class 100 that is not debatable. Marvels system is messed up with characters lifting way in excess of what their class suggests they should be able to. However what you do know is that if someone is put in a lower class than someone else then according to Marvel they are not as strong or the same level. Namor is class 6, high class 100's are level 7's. He's strong enough to engage high class 100's hand to hand , however in terms of raw strength he's not on their level
Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?
Marvel can be wrong...Beasts bio says that he can lift 2 tons...still he is rated as 4 which means 25 to 45 tons. All I am saying that the books arent written by a guy named "Marvel". They aren't even written by comic creators. Just some guy did research, wroted them, and perhaps made mistake there and there. The handbooks can be wrong.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?
Dc understand this. Ive already said this but because you're a big Namor fan you really want him to be high class which is understandable. The marvel system is messed up. Characters lift more than thire class suggests they should be able to. Namor as a class 100 can lift some heavy things and he has some good feats. However he is not a high class 100. In terms of strength and raw power he is not on the level of Hulk and Thanos and so on. Despite how messed up the system is, when someone is listed as class 6(low class 100) and someone as class 7(high) you know how those characters compare in the hierarchy in terms of strength. Its as simple as that.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Lifting tankers doesn't make you high class?Marvel can be wrong...Beasts bio says that he can lift 2 tons...still he is rated as 4 which means 25 to 45 tons. All I am saying that the books arent written by a guy named "Marvel". They aren't even written by comic creators. Just some guy did research, wroted them, and perhaps made mistake there and there. The handbooks can be wrong.
Incorrect. I dont know what handbook you were reading but level 4 encompasses the range 800lbs to 25 tons. Beast being able to lift 2 tons fits in that class just fine.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dc understand this. Ive already said this but because you're a big Namor fan you really want him to be high class which is understandable. The marvel system is messed up. Characters lift more than thire class suggests they should be able to. Namor as a class 100 can lift some heavy things and he has some good feats. However he is not a high class 100. In terms of strength and raw power he is not on the level of Hulk and Thanos and so on. Despite how messed up the system is, when someone is listed as class 6(low class 100) and someone as class 7(high) you know how those characters compare in the hierarchy in terms of strength. Its as simple as that.
Ill say it again and again. I reckon that Namor is stronger than the Abomination, and the Abomination is listed as a Level 7. Even Sentinnels are listed as Level 7 and Namor is far stronger than them. The Level system is not always right. 🙂
Originally posted by jnt29904
where do you get the idea that namor is far stronger than a sentinnel or even as strong. he is very powerful but he isnt even in the same solar system as the abomination.
and I have always thought of the thing as kinda weak no way is he in the level 7 group
Ummm he is is the same Solar system as Abomination .... ummm weird post ! 🙂