starwars Yeah but could hayden possibly act with more emotion and how dull is it when he says to palpatine "how can a learn this new power" I mean if you asking about something that could save your wave don't you think that you speak more emotionally.
From ANH to ROTj you get to see a wide range of emotions.
Originally posted by kanis
starwars Yeah but could hayden possibly act with more emotion and how dull is it when he says to palpatine "how can a learn this new power" I mean if you asking about something that could save your wave don't you think that you speak more emotionally.
From ANH to ROTj you get to see a wide range of emotions.
Good observation.
But in my opinion, I thought Anakin acted in amazing concurrence with the situation/scene when he said "Is it possible to learn this power?"
To me, as he dramatically turned his head slowly, with furrowed eyebrow, while saying that line, he had that perplexing look on his face that was really saying and really wanted to say, "Is it possible "for me" to learn this power?" But he didn't want to say that. I don't think he wanted to show anybody he was interested in the Dark side even if he just slightly was. He wanted everyone, even himself, to know that he was a good Jedi. Always.
That's what I got out of it. And, I think, you'd have to be pretty dramatic to relay a message with subtleties like that one. I thought Hayden pulled it off real well. Save for the British accent, lol
I liked the way Palpatine saw through Anakin on this one by saying "Not from a Jedi" as if he in fact knew, which he probably did, that Anakin actually meant "Is it possible "for me" to learn this power"
That "NOOO!" scene was alright...up until he said, "NOOO!"
Looking on it as film critic might, that whole scene was like a Frankenstein remake, the breaking out of the chains, tearing apart the lab, the awkward walking---which, I know WHY he walked like that, but it was just so cheesy.
And then you get the NO. Just adding to the Frankenstein moment. I mean really think about it.
"GRR!" (smashes lab)
(breaks out of chains and limps and stumbles off platform)
"Hey, you killed your wife."
"WHAT!" NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Second time I saw that, I noticed about 10 people all around me in the theatre all kinda turn their heads away when he said it. Out of embarassment for the character, so did I.
Of course the frankenstein moment was intentional, nothing wrong with that. Star Wars has been derivative every since the first one. John William's stealing themes from "The Magnificent 7," Lucas copying dogfight movies and incorporating them into the trench scenes, etc.
The "Nooo" was a heartbreaking moment. And remember, in times of great tragedy, people say it. All the live footage of world trade center going down, bystanders said "Nooo." Nancy Kerrigan said it on tape when Gilooly hit her knee. Nitpickers are far to hard on Lucas for that line.
And would you be able to walk if you just got new legs soldered on to your knees? It was a wonder he didn't fall flat on his mask. People go through weeks of therapy when they break a leg!
Originally posted by chinabingNitpickers are what we fans are all about.
Of course the frankenstein moment was intentional, nothing wrong with that. Star Wars has been derivative every since the first one. John William's stealing themes from "The Magnificent 7," Lucas copying dogfight movies and incorporating them into the trench scenes, etc.The "Nooo" was a heartbreaking moment. And remember, in times of great tragedy, people say it. All the live footage of world trade center going down, bystanders said "Nooo." Nancy Kerrigan said it on tape when Gilooly hit her knee. Nitpickers are far to hard on Lucas for that line.
And would you be able to walk if you just got new legs soldered on to your knees? It was a wonder he didn't fall flat on his mask. People go through weeks of therapy when they break a leg!
But Lucas may steal alot from things, but at least he does it rather subtly. The music, who the Hell is gonna notice that at a glance? The dogfights, well how much else has he got to work with?
But the NO. That wasn't subtle, that was down right obvious, too obvious. And this isn't just MY opinion.
The very first time it showed in my city's theatre, I heard at least what must have been 200 people including myself, say the name, Frankenstein, either during or after the movie. Every paper I read made light of, what they called, a "Frankenstein moment."
Nu-uh, that was one of SW's most embarassing moments, not necessarily the worst, but definetly the most embarassing.
I like the Empire Strikes Back! Hurray!
Battle of Hoth, cool.. AT-AT's still look like the coolest weapons!
Yoda riding Luke piggie back? Magnificent! How could he restrain himself from kicking the green dwarf against a tree?! Just.. wow.
Bespin was the most original I've seen, battle of Luke and Vader was best I've seen too as the freaking main charactar got owned terribly, Han getting frozen? hahaha! Good for him!
Everyone knows The Empire Strikes Back is the Macbeth of Star Wars.
In conclusion: Me like.
Embarrassing? I think not. How could it be embarrassing when deliberatly putting the Frankenstein moment was THE POINT!
Vader is now a monster, and the way he learned to walk was both truthful, and it tapped into movie lovers collective consciousness. And it wasn't stupid; it didn't mock. The emperor didn't go "It's Alive! It's Alive!"
But there's another monster in the Republic, the health care system. Vader gets mask over his whole head because of some burns, and Padme dies of a broken heart? Aye-yi-yi, don't ever get sick in that galaxy!
Originally posted by chinabingThe suit and her death were already there before the PT trilogy came out, but the Frankenstein moment wasn't.
Embarrassing? I think not. How could it be embarrassing when deliberatly putting the Frankenstein moment was THE POINT!Vader is now a monster, and the way he learned to walk was both truthful, and it tapped into movie lovers collective consciousness. And it wasn't stupid; it didn't mock. The emperor didn't go "It's Alive! It's Alive!"
But there's another monster in the Republic, the health care system. Vader gets mask over his whole head because of some burns, and Padme dies of a broken heart? Aye-yi-yi, don't ever get sick in that galaxy!
Just because it was intentional doesn't mean it's not embarassing. Here we've got Darth Vader, most hated enemy and purge of the Jedi, most feared warrior amongst civilians, Rebels and Imperials alike, and they have him yelling 'NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" like a cry-baby schoolboy. It's cheesy, it's embarassing, it's humiliating for Vader's character, and it was a mistake.