Originally posted by bakerboy
Stronger?? in water yes, outwater not.Faster, yes.
More durable, never.
More experienced, maybe.
More skilled, i doubt it.
Its curious, i remember the thing beating namor, but not namor beating the thing.
Namor is more experienced, he's fought his life, which is longer than bens existence.
Namor is faster than the thing, yes , clearly.
Out of water, the thing is as strong as him, level 85.
The thing skin is much more durable than namors, he can take much more punishment than namor.
More experienced and skilled, yeah, agree. Namor is one of the oldest characters in comics and he is very skilled.
Out of water, the thing is as strong as him, level 85. The thing skin is much more durable than namors, he can take much more punishment than namor.
Namor out of water is still Class 100. Like I said, his strength doesn't immediatly decrease. He broke through the crimson bands of Cyttorak and knocked out Doctor Strange in the process. How do you know that the Thing is more durable? Hulk has NEVER knocked out Namor, not depending on did they fight on land or water. (And most of their fights happen on land). Namor took miniature nuke that exploded WHILE he was carrying him, and it only stunned him.
The hulk stuff has nothing to do here. one of the best thing abilities is his durance. His stone skill is way more durable and harder than namors. Even the hulk skin isnt as durable as the thing's.
About his strength, yeah maybe you are right. But ben is a great and experienced fighter too, because he always give namor hard troubles. Its curious, but namor normally did better against the hulk than against the thing. The thing is less powerful than the hulk but is more difficult for namor. I dont know why, maybe because he is a better figther and smarter than hulk.
Originally posted by bakerboy
The hulk stuff has nothing to do here. one of the best thing abilities is his durance. His stone skill is way more durable and harder than namors. Even the hulk skin isnt as durable as the thing's.About his strength, yeah maybe you are right. But ben is a great and experienced fighter too, because he always give namor hard troubles. Its curious, but namor normally did better against the hulk than against the thing. The thing is less powerful than the hulk but is more difficult for namor. I dont know why, maybe because he is a better figther and smarter than hulk.
Namor is still better fighter and smarter then Thing is. And stronger. And at least as durable as Thing, since rubble from Thing's skin always flies when he fights people - Namor doesn't even get wounds.
If Ben Grimm could keep Namor out of the water long enough to have a considerable impact on his strength then I could see Thing taking down Namor. Otherwise I agree with Darkcrawler - Namor is a superior tactician and combatant in comparison to The Thing. But the Namor not receiving wounds thing? That's a bit of a stretch.
"Stronger?? in water yes, outwater not."
Until he starts to weaken due to being out of water, yes he is.
"More experienced, maybe."
No. Its more experienced = sure.
"More skilled, i doubt it."
He is higly skilled. One of the most skilled bricks Marvel has. Who of the two is more i dont know. Namor is more for grappling skills and Thing its more for boxing. If you count battle experience then Namor surely edges him.
Namor usually fight with Thing without always knocking the crap outta him cause they fight in FF4 issues, so obviously there's the motivation of not showing Thing as a weak guy compared to him.
Namor's durability granted him to survive in space, Namor's strenght was sufficient to battle a Hulk controlled by a magical being and showing his own really good, Namor is more a wreckin machine than Thing.
Namor use skills, speed, brain and strenght, when he fight Hulk.
Thing use "skills", strenght, and nothing more.
Pretty much, agreed.
Thing always does good against Namor. In fact he does pretty good against practically all the high bricks at Marvel. Its the underdog persona.
Helding its own against them tho, doesnt spell winning. Thing against Namor its a case like that. They share a friendly rivality, he did pretty good against him once underwater (tho it semmed namor was holding a bit) he does good againt him out of it. Against Hercules the same. Against Champion the same. Against Hulk the same. More than tho, its another story.
Originally posted by jrodslam
First off, where has it been stated than in first encounters between Namor and Thing, Thing was only class 5-10? Prove this.In FF #'s 25,26, 112 which were all 60's as well. Thing held his own until getting beat by Hulk. If he was cl 5-10, he wouldnt last half as long as he did.
To decide on a victor during a fight, one doesnt have to be knocked out. There are times when someone is getting dominated, and the fight is stopped. Other times opponents are evenly match and the fight is stopped. Namor and Thing seem to get their fights stoped alot due to either Reed or Torch saving him or some other reason.
99% of all their fights have been remakes? How many times do you think theyve fought? About 5 maybe 6 all together.
That cover scan you posted proves what?
This is no remake nor a Namor comic. Nor was Namor wet.
There isnt a clear knock out here, but its is clear that Namor is getting the best of think no? Up until the fight was interrupted, who would you say was winning? Namor.
These stats are from the Marvel directory 1986
Strength Level: The Thing possesses superhuman strength, enabling him to lift (press) 85 tons. The Thing's strength grew considerably over the initial years of his career. At one early point in his life as the Thing, for example, he could only lift (press) 5 tons.
Yea Ben was hurt so much by Namors punches he was joking about it while in the air.
In that issue of Marvel two in one i think the Thing wins that fight...even though it is underwater. I certainly dont remember Namor having the advantage.
Thing and NAmor have both fought Blackbolt back to back. Namor got knocked the F-out and embedded in a Dam while the Thing actually nearly put BB down immediately after.
Thing and Namor have fought a lot but i dont see Namor having an edge, certainly not against the modern Thing who is clearly bigger/stronger/tougher.
Originally posted by Wynndar
In that issue of Marvel two in one i think the Thing wins that fight...even though it is underwater. I certainly dont remember Namor having the advantage.Thing and NAmor have both fought Blackbolt back to back. Namor got knocked the F-out and embedded in a Dam while the Thing actually nearly put BB down immediately after.
Thing and Namor have fought a lot but i dont see Namor having an edge, certainly not against the modern Thing who is clearly bigger/stronger/tougher.
Bigger, maybe. Stronger or tougher? No.
Issue numbers for Black Bolt and underwater fights, please?
