Originally posted by Tony Stark
You're 100% correctIt's not as if it's Calvin's Comics web site.
It's MARVEL Comics own website. They actually pay people REAL $ to input all the information and make sure it's correct.
They've made upgrades on characters listed on the site so they obviously know whats on there. If they felt it was wrong information they would change it.
Just because it doesn't show your favorite character in favorable light in comparison to another character or in a way you feel it should doesn't mean that the information is wrong... It means you are.
Ah.
Do you think that the guy who wrote Namor's bio was Stan Lee?
There is no guy named "Marvel". There are just some random guys who make research...and those guys can make mistakes.
Originally posted by LandShark
I dont care spiked thing would dust namor any day you guys are trying to build namor into like pre crisis superman or something superman prime heh namor is a joke and aquaman flattened him with a little whale!
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
You are actually taking Marvel VS DC as canon!?!
Marvel VS DC where LOBO got beaten by WOLVERINE?!
😂 😱 😆 😆
The fight was fan-voted. Come back when you have gone past puberty.
Originally posted by Wynndar
So being around longer makes him a better fighter eh? So is he better than deadpool or T'Challa too? Hell no, thats no kind of reasoning at all. Thing and Namor have both survived in space. However Thing has survived in space AFTER Ego was blown up while the Thing was still inside him. This isnt a argument about who can survive a bigger explosion though, even if Thing is clearly tougher there. Thing's taken blows from Hulk, Gladiator, Terrax, Occulus, The Destroyer, and Black Bolt and quickly shaken it off. He survived one of the worst beating ever by Champion and still refused to go down. Black Bolt KO'd Namor in one punch and then immediately went toe to toe with the Thing and was taken down. Thing is slow? since when? one fo his powers is superhuman spped. Last month's Marvel Knights 4 made a reference to this. Thing can create enough speed with his arm to throw or punch an object into orbit. He has ran down the Rhino who can run 155mph. Slow? sorry man but thats just a lack of knowledge.Simply saying Namor can beat Thing cuz he "said" he could beat the Hulk in Hulk issue #316 doesnt mean anything. Hulk and Thing are intirely different characters. By the way what happened to Namor after he said that? the Hulk nearly killed him. No ones demonstrated they know how to fight the Hulk like the Thing...even the underpowered 5 ton strength Thing was able to keep him busy.
This is all very ambigous evidence. What you say is all true, but in the wrong context. I.e. 'Thing has taken blows from Hulk, Gladiator etc'
Yes he has taken blows from them, but not very well !!!!!!!!!!
I think the punch from Gladiator nearly killed him ???????
True the 5 ton Thing was able to goe toe to toe with the Hulk. But in those days the Thing was marvel number 2 power house. Of course the writer was going to make it a close fight, what would be the point in the comic otherwise ?????
You made reference to Mavel Knights ?????? Did this happen recently ????
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah...but it still sickens me that after all these years people still think that Marvel VS DC is credible proof in Versus threads.Do they even read the dorum rules before writing? 🙂
No .... What do the 'dorum' rules say about DC vs Marvel ???? (Nah seriously I'm interested)
Originally posted by yahman
No .... What do the 'dorum' rules say about DC vs Marvel ???? (Nah seriously I'm interested)
*F*orum Rules... 😛
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Written by Tron:
No Non-canon SourcesNon-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
As well, instances of PIS (plot induce stupidity - see below) and SvFL (Spiderman vs. Firelord - see below) are generally removed from consideration in standard versus debates.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
Been reading the Namor feat list you made DC. 👆 Just a couple of things, in Strength Feats for #08, is 200 tons stated? Because it sounds like an underestimate, submarines generally weigh in the thousands if not tens of thousands of tons. #13 a ship of that size should probably be thousands of tons too.
I see Namor most likely winning - considering in most if not all physical categories he's equal or superior to Thing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Been reading the Namor feat list you made DC. 👆 Just a couple of things, in Strength Feats for #08, is 200 tons stated? Because it sounds like an underestimate, submarines generally weigh in the thousands if not tens of thousands of tons. #13 a ship of that size should probably be thousands of tons too.Namor would most likely win.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Nah...I just put that 200 tons as a rough estimate.
IMO lifting feeds seem superior to fighting feats, i.e they are alot easier to gauge. Namor's lifting feats are far superior to Things. But they are listed in the same category, and are generally accepted as not as strong as the other Heavy weights. After considering all this one comes to the conclusion that Namor is stronger, but not by much. 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ah.Do you think that the guy who wrote Namor's bio was Stan Lee?
There is no guy named "Marvel". There are just some random guys who make research...and those guys can make mistakes.
😱
Do you actually think that some guys off the street write this info down, paste it on the MARVEL site and the uppers of MARVEL (Stan Lee included) have no idea of whats being put out into the world as far as their livelihood (The Characters of MARVEL) and their canon stats, and they don't have any say in it? And they don't care if it's correct or not...?
Please tell me you don't...
Any version of a current THING will beat a current Namor...
Worst case scenario 7/10
^ What does current Thing do thats so impressive? What are his feats? And any true mature fan of comics here knows that bios and stgats from sites dont mean much. Its the comics that define the character. Most of the people who do bios now hardly read most or even some of the books with the characters strengths and weaknesses. They just uses old stats for the most part.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
😱Do you actually think that some guys off the street write this info down, paste it on the MARVEL site and the uppers of MARVEL (Stan Lee included) have no idea of whats being put out into the world as far as their livelihood (The Characters of MARVEL) and their canon stats, and they don't have any say in it? And they don't care if it's correct or not...?
Please tell me you don't...
Any version of a current THING will beat a current Namor...
Worst case scenario 7/10
Yep, thats pretty much it.
Read any list of writers of Handbooks...you are not seeing "Stan Lee" there.
I doubt that Stan Lee, a owner of multi-billion dollar Empire would have time to say: "Hey, you wrote that wrong, he can lift 70, not 75 tons." The guys who write it do mistakes. Read through the handbooks and you can see the mistakes they make.
(If you really want to go with handbooks, Thing is still Class 85 and Namor Class 100. Is the 85 tons correct?)
Namor 8/10.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yep, thats pretty much it.Read any list of writers of Handbooks...you are not seeing "Stan Lee" there.
I doubt that Stan Lee, a owner of multi-billion dollar Empire would have time to say: "Hey, you wrote that wrong, he can lift 70, not 75 tons." The guys who write it do mistakes. Read through the handbooks and you can see the mistakes they make.
(If you really want to go with handbooks, Thing is still Class 85 and Namor Class 100. Is the 85 tons correct?)
Namor 8/10.
You don't see Stan the Man's name on the list of writers because he doesn't actually write them, but your seriously kidding yourself if you think that he doesn't over see what goes on the MARVEL website as far as character information since they are all his property.
How strange would it be if they actually had guidelines to follow per characters. OOOOO... that would be weird Uh?
And I'm not quoting any handbook I'm quoting MARVEL's website...
I can show many of handbook that puts Namor at CL40 out of water for more than 2-3 hours and CL85 in the water also so we can use that too.
If you'd like.
THING 7/10
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Considering Stan Lee is only the Chairman Emeritus of Marvel, and doesn't actually have any to do with the day to day running of Marvel or creative control over characters that now belong to Marvel Entertainment Inc. I highly doubt he has - or would bother to have - input into what goes on Marvel.com or into the handbooks.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
You don't see Stan the Man's name on the list of writers because he doesn't actually write them, but your seriously kidding yourself if you think that he doesn't over see what goes on the MARVEL website as far as character information since they are all his property.How strange would it be if they actually had guidelines to follow per characters. OOOOO... that would be weird Uh?
And I'm not quoting any handbook I'm quoting MARVEL's website...
I can show many of handbook that puts Namor at CL40 out of water for more than 2-3 hours and CL85 in the water also so we can use that too.
If you'd like.
THING 7/10
😛
And if you really want to go with handbooks, I can show you the NEWEST handbooks that put Namor at class 100. And Thing is still 85. That's making Namor fifteen tons stronger then Thing at his best days.
If you'd like.
Namor 8/10. With handbooks or not.