Namor is around from over 70 years, his mastery on his abilities and his fighting skills are above those of Thing.
Namor's durability granted him to survive even when throwed in outerspace.His reflexes, reaction time and flight speed outclass Thing, who is knowed for being quite slow.
Namor when fresh out of water, still is a mid level Class 100, then he begins to get weaker, but against Thing he'll need few if he goes for the K.O. and achieve a victory.This man battled an Hulk possessed from a magical being and was still on his feet, and has sayed from him during the Avengers VS Mindless Hulk battle, Namor has faced the savage creature before, AND TRIUMPHED!
IMPERIOUS REX!
So being around longer makes him a better fighter eh? So is he better than deadpool or T'Challa too? Hell no, thats no kind of reasoning at all. Thing and Namor have both survived in space. However Thing has survived in space AFTER Ego was blown up while the Thing was still inside him. This isnt a argument about who can survive a bigger explosion though, even if Thing is clearly tougher there. Thing's taken blows from Hulk, Gladiator, Terrax, Occulus, The Destroyer, and Black Bolt and quickly shaken it off. He survived one of the worst beating ever by Champion and still refused to go down. Black Bolt KO'd Namor in one punch and then immediately went toe to toe with the Thing and was taken down. Thing is slow? since when? one fo his powers is superhuman spped. Last month's Marvel Knights 4 made a reference to this. Thing can create enough speed with his arm to throw or punch an object into orbit. He has ran down the Rhino who can run 155mph. Slow? sorry man but thats just a lack of knowledge.
Simply saying Namor can beat Thing cuz he "said" he could beat the Hulk in Hulk issue #316 doesnt mean anything. Hulk and Thing are intirely different characters. By the way what happened to Namor after he said that? the Hulk nearly killed him. No ones demonstrated they know how to fight the Hulk like the Thing...even the underpowered 5 ton strength Thing was able to keep him busy.
Like I said, Namor does have the speed advantage. He's one of the fastest strong guys around. Thing isnt slow though.
Namor has no strength advantage against the modern Thing.
Thing is clearly tougher than Namor...although they are both extremely durable. But taking punches is what Thing does.
Fighting, they are both great fighter. Marvel.com is underrating Namor's fighting ability. But like someone else has mentioned, Ben Grimm was already an exceptional fighter before ever becoming the Thing. And simply being old doesnt make Namor any more skilled.
Basically the fight is a draw...but I think if Namor and Thing met one on one in a comic next month Thing would edge him out barely.
Originally posted by Wynndar
So being around longer makes him a better fighter eh? So is he better than deadpool or T'Challa too? Hell no, thats no kind of reasoning at all. Fighting, they are both great fighter. Marvel.com is underrating Namor's fighting ability. But like someone else has mentioned, Ben Grimm was already an exceptional fighter before ever becoming the Thing. And simply being old doesnt make Namor any more skilled.
No.
His age compared with the best training of a warrior nation that was fighting things thousands of years before the first Native Americans were in the America makes him skilled. He is a royal, and royals get lot more better training then normal soldiers.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thing and Namor have both survived in space. However Thing has survived in space AFTER Ego was blown up while the Thing was still inside him. This isnt a argument about who can survive a bigger explosion though, even if Thing is clearly tougher there. Thing's taken blows from Hulk, Gladiator, Terrax, Occulus, The Destroyer, and Black Bolt and quickly shaken it off. He survived one of the worst beating ever by Champion and still refused to go down. Black Bolt KO'd Namor in one punch and then immediately went toe to toe with the Thing and was taken down.
KO'ed him? No, I think he only punched him far away...he was back few seconds after that.
And he wasn't taken down by Thing, he played uncouncious. Read the comic more carefully.
Check out all the enemies Namor has fought with Defenders. He has taken blows from them and has not given up. He has taken blows from Thor, Savage Hulk, Hercules, The Nameless One, and many more...(Well, most people in Marvel, he IS, after all the FIRST character of Marvel).
Originally posted by Wynndar
Thing is slow? since when? one fo his powers is superhuman spped. Last month's Marvel Knights 4 made a reference to this. Thing can create enough speed with his arm to throw or punch an object into orbit. He has ran down the Rhino who can run 155mph. Slow? sorry man but thats just a lack of knowledge.
So? Namor is fast enough to catch rockets going on Mach 2.5 on air. Namor is faster.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Simply saying Namor can beat Thing cuz he "said" he could beat the Hulk in Hulk issue #316 doesnt mean anything. Hulk and Thing are intirely different characters. By the way what happened to Namor after he said that? the Hulk nearly killed him. No ones demonstrated they know how to fight the Hulk like the Thing...even the underpowered 5 ton strength Thing was able to keep him busy.
?
Namor has beaten the Hulk. Three times.
Thing?
None.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Like I said, Namor does have the speed advantage. He's one of the fastest strong guys around. Thing isnt slow though.
Namor is faster.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Namor has no strength advantage against the modern Thing.Thing is clearly tougher than Namor...although they are both extremely durable. But taking punches is what Thing does.
I think they are equally though. Why would thing be tougher? Maybe after Namor is dehydrated, but in this fight he is straight from water.
And strenght...what is the greatest strength feat of Thing?
Originally posted by Wynndar
Basically the fight is a draw...but I think if Namor and Thing met one on one in a comic next month Thing would edge him out barely.
I think that Namor would defeat him...superior speed and experience...equal or better strength and durability...twice as much fighting experience and as good or better skills then Thing has.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
No.
His age compared with the best training of a warrior nation that was fighting things thousands of years before the first Native Americans were in the America makes him skilled. He is a royal, and royals get lot more better training then normal soldiers.
Like I said before, if this made Namor the more skilled fighter then u could also say he's better than Wolverine, Deadpool, Ironfist, Daredevil, Black Panther...But it doesnt.
I still say Namor is a better fighter than Marvel.com gives him credit for. He should have the same rating as the Thing. However, I still say Thing is depicted at using fighting technique more often than Namor.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
KO'ed him? No, I think he only punched him far away...he was back few seconds after that.And he wasn't taken down by Thing, he played uncouncious. Read the comic more carefully.
I know he was faking, regardless, no one was able to lay a finger on him except Grimm. Namor got abused, running his mouth and got knocked a mile right through a dam. He showed up later...when they were leaving I think, but not the next panel or second like ur implying here.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Check out all the enemies Namor has fought with Defenders. He has taken blows from them and has not given up. He has taken blows from Thor, Savage Hulk, Hercules, The Nameless One, and many more...(Well, most people in Marvel, he IS, after all the FIRST character of Marvel).
Im not arguing this, Namor has a great list. Just not as good as the Things.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So? Namor is fast enough to catch rockets going on Mach 2.5 on air. Namor is faster.
Uhh...I said Namor was faster..calm down. I was refering to someone saying Thing was slow, which he's not
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor has beaten the Hulk. Three times.
?Thing?
None.
Namor beat the Hulk underwater in Avengers 3 and Hulk 118...other than that Im unaware. It was recently revealed that Thing beat Hulk in their second encounter. He also trashed Hulk exceptionally bad in F4#320.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is faster.
Again...no argument here. I think I said it myself that Namor is one of the fastest guys on Earth.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think they are equally though. Why would thing be tougher? Maybe after Namor is dehydrated, but in this fight he is straight from water.And strenght...what is the greatest strength feat of Thing?
Namor is tough. Just not as tough as the Thing. Like I said, Thing survived the Ego explosion...not many Earthers have a feat to match. Im not sure what Thing's greatest feat of strength is...he's lifted a ton of sh!t. Im not really impressed with anything I've seen Namor lift, but he did break the compramised bands of Cytorrak and that is truly very impressive.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think that Namor would defeat him...superior speed and experience...equal or better strength and durability...twice as much fighting experience and as good or better skills then Thing has.
I just Think the Thing edges him out in strength, durability, and fighting skills. Namor would be better at fighting some other people...but in a fist fight Thing's just a bit higher on the food chain.
Good debate man.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Like I said before, if this made Namor the more skilled fighter then u could also say he's better than Wolverine, Deadpool, Ironfist, Daredevil, Black Panther...But it doesnt.I still say Namor is a better fighter than Marvel.com gives him credit for. He should have the same rating as the Thing. However, I still say Thing is depicted at using fighting technique more often than Namor.
Hmm. I disagree. I have quite a lot of Fantastic Four comics...and Thing never shows any exceptional fighting skills...he just, you know...clobbers away. And Namor really doesn't show them either. So, equal skill showing.
But it is just the fact that when Thing's grandma was changing the diapers of Thing's father, Namor was already taking out WWII airplanes and fighting all kinds of enemies with the Invaders. Before Fantastic Four was even established, Namor was going hand to hand with Thor. Namor has defeated Captain America in h2h fight before Thing's father even enrolled in army.
Namor's experience dwarfs Thing's - and experience matters a lot in a fight. I said the same thing when they were discussing about who would win, Thing or Colossus. And maybe Colossus was harder or stronger, but Thing's experience also dwarfs Colossus's.
Originally posted by Wynndar
I know he was faking, regardless, no one was able to lay a finger on him except Grimm. Namor got abused, running his mouth and got knocked a mile right through a dam. He showed up later...when they were leaving I think, but not the next panel or second like ur implying here.
Actually, he came back one panel later.
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And Namor also laid his hands on Black Bolt:
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Originally posted by Wynndar
Im not arguing this, Namor has a great list. Just not as good as the Things.
He has fought every major villain and hero in Marvel, and you say that his list is not as good?
I would say it is better...
Originally posted by Wynndar
Uhh...I said Namor was faster..calm down. I was refering to someone saying Thing was slow, which he's not
Yeah. He is not.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Namor beat the Hulk underwater in Avengers 3 and Hulk 118...other than that Im unaware. It was recently revealed that Thing beat Hulk in their second encounter. He also trashed Hulk exceptionally bad in F4#320.
Namor also beat Hulk in this issue:
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And in 118, he physically knocked him out with a punch. With the same force he would have when he is straight from water.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Again...no argument here. I think I said it myself that Namor is one of the fastest guys on Earth.
Yep.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Namor is tough. Just not as tough as the Thing. Like I said, Thing survived the Ego explosion...not many Earthers have a feat to match. Im not sure what Thing's greatest feat of strength is...he's lifted a ton of sh!t. Im not really impressed with anything I've seen Namor lift, but he did break the compramised bands of Cytorrak and that is truly very impressive.
Can you get the issue number for the Ego explosion?
Originally posted by Wynndar
I just Think the Thing edges him out in strength, durability, and fighting skills. Namor would be better at fighting some other people...but in a fist fight Thing's just a bit higher on the food chain.Good debate man.
How does he edge him out in strength? I haven't still seen any proof of that.
And I would still say that their durability is the same...taking on account that Namor has taken a full force Mjolnir throw from Thor, blasts from Silver Surfer, miniature nukes, and lot of other things during the sixty years he has spend in comics. And even if Thing would be more durable, Namor's greater speed enables him to dodge more hits then Thing.
Yeah, this is a good debate. 🙂
Originally posted by LandShark
I say if the marvel site said thing is a little better then you cant argue until they admit they made a mistake, they do have the say so last word in it. Besides I always thought namor was boring anyway
You're 100% correct
It's not as if it's Calvin's Comics web site.
It's MARVEL Comics own website. They actually pay people REAL $ to input all the information and make sure it's correct.
They've made upgrades on characters listed on the site so they obviously know whats on there. If they felt it was wrong information they would change it.
Just because it doesn't show your favorite character in favorable light in comparison to another character or in a way you feel it should doesn't mean that the information is wrong... It means you are.
Da hell? Marvel Directory is wrong constantly. Namor's strength feats (oil tankers, punching out Hulk) are more impressive than Ben's really. Namor has most of the advantages... Fighting skill, strength, speed, and a LOT of mobility. Once again, flight rules.
What really bothers me is all those people taking a dose of Black Bolt's voice from basically point blank... And most of them stay conscious. A whisper's knocked out Hulk and Gladiator, but oh no, not Invisible Woman... Yeesh.
Oh yeah, go Namor.
Thing is probably the most defeated powehouse ever. Thing is Namor's bi**h. Although Namor has never fought the spikey version, hed probably beat him as well. You nay think Namors a joke, and thats your perogative, but his track record is better than Things.
And you think Aquaman beating Namor is valid? I guess the same goes for Lobo and wolverine, Batman and Hulk too ehh? You can defent Thing all you want. I meaneven though he gets his ass beat, he still has heart right? Lol. 💃
Spike Thing could have taken Namor in the water, And considering the people voted on the outcome of the Aquaman Namor battle and both Marvel and Dc were okay with whatever the people said I say its valid, although I dont think Aquaman could have taken him without the whales help, LOL But I do agree with you Thing does get knocked around constantly and his track record of finished major character fights isnt that good
regular Thing and Namor fought to a draw UNDERWATER. Grimm is not the Hulk, Doesnt fight like him, doesnt think like him, their both strong and tough...thats about it. Namor has great feats and so does the Thing...there is no conclusive evidence one is better than the other...its just too close. We can all have our opinions...but anyone who says there's an obvious outcome to this fight is not being objective.
^ A draw to where Namor was holding back and trying to talk some sense into Thing? True theeir both strong and tough, but Namor is stronger and tougher. I personally dont think its close at all. Considering who Namor has fought and beaten and even stalemated. Namor has and will always be too much for Thing to handle. Thing will always be considered because of his heart and the team hes on.
