Originally posted by Creshosk
Unless they remembered a character development that seems to have been forgotten. . . if that had been remembered and included into Wolverine's current character then the New Ock would lose even worse.
wolverine prime, what a fanboy.
The same tactics apply...
Can you tell me what "upgrades" wolverine has been noted to have, that weren't in the mind of fanboys?
Originally posted by jinzinYes. Please do go on. I don't kno of these mysterious advantages which make Wolverine impervious to Spidey's baddies. Venom is simply bigger than Logan. Spidey's style of fighting is the thing that gives him the edge over Wolverine here. Spidey fights smart, Logan fights with his fists. Stab first, ask questions after having sex with Jean (which, by the way, probably isn't gonna happen 😛) So what is it you so quaintly skipped?
all the time...for multiple reasons that are in his favor...but he doesn't have the same advantages when fighting wolverine.....want me to go on? if you're really interested of course...
Originally posted by Lord-of-DreamsHere:
Yes. Please do go on. I don't kno of these mysterious advantages which make Wolverine impervious to Spidey's baddies. Venom is simply bigger than Logan. Spidey's style of fighting is the thing that gives him the edge over Wolverine here. Spidey fights smart, Logan fights with his fists. Stab first, ask questions after having sex with Jean (which, by the way, probably isn't gonna happen 😛) So what is it you so quaintly skipped?
Originally posted by CreshoskBut its thursday... 🙁
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Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Yes. Please do go on. I don't kno of these mysterious advantages which make Wolverine impervious to Spidey's baddies. Venom is simply bigger than Logan. Spidey's style of fighting is the thing that gives him the edge over Wolverine here. Spidey fights smart, Logan fights with his fists. Stab first, ask questions after having sex with Jean (which, by the way, probably isn't gonna happen 😛) So what is it you so quaintly skipped?
okay smart guy....
lets see here....
first off....spiderman while having high end durability..doesn't quite stack up to logan in terms of being able to take brute strength.....wolverine can handle venom's blows better than spiderman can and he can shrug them off no sweat...recovering near instantanously...
secondly...spiderman is not a skilled fighter as we've already discussed. what makes him so adept at kicking various asses of the sort is that his powers are instinctive...too bad for him when he has to fight venom his spider sense does about jack shit for him....this is why, while venom maybe a slower and even weaker opponent than some of the baddies spiderman has served, he still consistantly kicks the crippity crap out of spiderman in hand to hand confrontations....While wolverine on the other hand can avoid enemies because he's learned how to with a degree of expertise through his training...wolverine's fighting experience will make him more adept at dancing around venom than spiderman...as shown in the snow fight..
also his senses help him more against venom than spiderman's spider sense because pete's spider sense is a non facotr vs. venom.....wolverine's keen senses however...are not...
another thing to consider is tendrils...if spiderman gets caught up in tendrils he can only punch at them, pull and yank...in other words NOTHING...if and when venom decides to tendril spiderman...spidey is pretty much done for as he has no decent way to fight back against them other than using brute strength, (this has been displayed a great deal in the books to boot).. which we know against a symbiote is like fighting air....wolverine however has a way to combat the tendrils...even nullify them completely simply by cutting them off of their host and main body....he can keep from getting tendriled (as displayed) spiderman can't....
finally....offensively spiderman's got webbing which is nothing to venom, and brute strength....while these two factors stack up pretty nicely against other foes...against venom they mean.........(hey, hey is that spidey's friend jack again........it is! 😱 it's JACK!) jack shit.....venom took multiple hits from the juggernaught and was laughing in his face..mocking him the whole time....he's even stated on several occasions that he doesn't even feel spiderman's punches at most degrees....offensively...without help, a plan or a weapon...against venom, spiderman's got nothin...
wolverine however.....well a symbiote may be able to catch bullets and shrugg off class 100+ punches, but a knife will go through it just fine....blaze stabbed venom in the arm with nothing more than a pocket knife...venom's been stabbed on a few occasions....unlike spiderman wolverine has a direct way to get through the symbiote and to the host thus killing or deabilitating the host thus ending the fight....
spiderman however, does not have this luxury.....spiderman's been shown on multiple occasions to get his ass kicked by venom....logan's shown on multiple occasions and with a 100% ratio might I add....to connect with a kill shot or KO shot on venom....he may be slightly slower, he may be greatly weaker than spiderman...but he has all the advantages that spiderman doesn't have NONE...THE....LESS......
as clearly shown here...
Well Wolverine will definately do better against Venom (i'm not talking abt winning..... just better) than Spiderman. My reason is: Spiderman relies on his spider-sense. Venom does not trigger Spidey's spider-sense. Wolverine however is not affected as such. This does not mean that Spidey loses in the Wolvie-Spidey match.
One man's meat is another man's poison
Originally posted by joesha28
Well Wolverine will definately do better against Venom (i'm not talking abt winning..... just better) than Spiderman. My reason is: Spiderman relies on his spider-sense. Venom does not trigger Spidey's spider-sense. Wolverine however is not affected as such. This does not mean that Spidey loses in the Wolvie-Spidey match.One man's meat is another man's poison
That's a very fair assumption.
Originally posted by MERCILOUSGod you guys are at it again, get a room.
But jinzin! That's clearly PIS! I don't care that he's done it 3 or 4 times already and has similar showing against similar characters! The fact that it's consistent means nothing to me! Spiderman has SPIDER-SENSE!!!!!Now you fanboys can save your breath.
Originally posted by jinzin
first off....spiderman while having high end durability..doesn't quite stack up to logan in terms of being able to take brute strength.....wolverine can handle venom's blows better than spiderman can and he can shrug them off no sweat...recovering near instantanously...
Yes, but spiderman is more maneuverable and agile, by far, while wolverine is stuck on the ground, venom is not...
Originally posted by jinzin
secondly...spiderman is not a skilled fighter as we've already discussed. what makes him so adept at kicking various asses of the sort is that his powers are instinctive...too bad for him when he has to fight venom his spider sense does about jack shit for him....this is why, while venom maybe a slower and even weaker opponent than some of the baddies spiderman has served, he still consistantly kicks the crippity crap out of spiderman in hand to hand confrontations....While wolverine on the other hand can avoid enemies because he's learned how to with a degree of expertise through his training...wolverine's fighting experience will make him more adept at dancing around venom than spiderman...as shown in the snow fight..
Baloney, the ONLY reason that venom gives spiderman trouble is that venom knows and is a stronger spiderman, thats it!! Its just like sabretooth, except that venom is WORSE, much worse, than sabretooth.
Fighting, save it, wolverine goes right into hack and slash mode, and he isn't better than spiderman at avoiding enemies, not on his best day.
Originally posted by jinzin
also his senses help him more against venom than spiderman's spider sense because pete's spider sense is a non facotr vs. venom.....wolverine's keen senses however...are not...
Wolverine's senses are doing jack shit in a head up fight, nothing, nadda, mulch.
Venom is an AILEN symbiote, wolverine doesn't really know he's sensing danger, if brock were to disguise himself, logan would be none the wiser. To top it off, venom has a better sense than logan.
Originally posted by jinzin
another thing to consider is tendrils...if spiderman gets caught up in tendrils he can only punch at them, pull and yank...in other words NOTHING...if and when venom decides to tendril spiderman...spidey is pretty much done for as he has no decent way to fight back against them other than using brute strength, (this has been displayed a great deal in the books to boot).. which we know against a symbiote is like fighting air....wolverine however has a way to combat the tendrils...even nullify them completely simply by cutting them off of their host and main body....he can keep from getting tendriled (as displayed) spiderman can't....
Yes, and they keep on coming back, logan can't cut if he doesn't have leverage, the symbiotes TENDRILS and WEBBING, are more than enough to incapacitate parker.
Originally posted by jinzin
finally....offensively spiderman's got webbing which is nothing to venom, and brute strength....while these two factors stack up pretty nicely against other foes...against venom they mean.........(hey, hey is that spidey's friend jack again........it is! 😱 it's JACK!) jack shit.....venom took multiple hits from the juggernaught and was laughing in his face..mocking him the whole time....he's even stated on several occasions that he doesn't even feel spiderman's punches at most degrees....offensively...without help, a plan or a weapon...against venom, spiderman's got nothin...
Spiderman has already BEAT VENOM ass while beserk, HANDED it to him, all over the place, venom was fighting smart, throwing semitrailers and everything.
Of course when people fight wolverine, they go into that "psioinic barrier" that makes them go h2h.
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine however.....well a symbiote may be able to catch bullets and shrugg off class 100+ punches, but a knife will go through it just fine....blaze stabbed venom in the arm with nothing more than a pocket knife...venom's been stabbed on a few occasions....unlike spiderman wolverine has a direct way to get through the symbiote and to the host thus killing or deabilitating the host thus ending the fight....
Yes, and venom has MANY MANY ways to keep that from happening in a hypothetical matchup, why in the hell would venom sit there and let wolverine claw him up, venom is more maneuverable than wolverine, and can grab a weapon, and close the range even greater.
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman however, does not have this luxury.....spiderman's been shown on multiple occasions to get his ass kicked by venom....logan's shown on multiple occasions and with a 100% ratio might I add....to connect with a kill shot or KO shot on venom....he may be slightly slower, he may be greatly weaker than spiderman...but he has all the advantages that spiderman doesn't have NONE...THE....LESS......
Um, that was a crossover matchup, lets not go by what happened and ended in a tie, thats silly, spiderman has beaten venom.
Venom OWNS wolverine, spiderman has a good shot at wolverine, what makes you think venom would lose.
A character that has held his own with carnage, would lose to wolverine?
Carnage's offense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wolverines, period.
It was something to make wolverine win...
Originally posted by jinzin
okay smart guy....
lets see here....first off....spiderman while having high end durability..doesn't quite stack up to logan in terms of being able to take brute strength.....wolverine can handle venom's blows better than spiderman can and he can shrug them off no sweat...recovering near instantanously...
secondly...spiderman is not a skilled fighter as we've already discussed. what makes him so adept at kicking various asses of the sort is that his powers are instinctive...too bad for him when he has to fight venom his spider sense does about jack shit for him....this is why, while venom maybe a slower and even weaker opponent than some of the baddies spiderman has served, he still consistantly kicks the crippity crap out of spiderman in hand to hand confrontations....While wolverine on the other hand can avoid enemies because he's learned how to with a degree of expertise through his training...wolverine's fighting experience will make him more adept at dancing around venom than spiderman...as shown in the snow fight..
also his senses help him more against venom than spiderman's spider sense because pete's spider sense is a non facotr vs. venom.....wolverine's keen senses however...are not...
another thing to consider is tendrils...if spiderman gets caught up in tendrils he can only punch at them, pull and yank...in other words NOTHING...if and when venom decides to tendril spiderman...spidey is pretty much done for as he has no decent way to fight back against them other than using brute strength, (this has been displayed a great deal in the books to boot).. which we know against a symbiote is like fighting air....wolverine however has a way to combat the tendrils...even nullify them completely simply by cutting them off of their host and main body....he can keep from getting tendriled (as displayed) spiderman can't....
finally....offensively spiderman's got webbing which is nothing to venom, and brute strength....while these two factors stack up pretty nicely against other foes...against venom they mean.........(hey, hey is that spidey's friend jack again........it is! 😱 it's JACK!) jack shit.....venom took multiple hits from the juggernaught and was laughing in his face..mocking him the whole time....he's even stated on several occasions that he doesn't even feel spiderman's punches at most degrees....offensively...without help, a plan or a weapon...against venom, spiderman's got nothin...
wolverine however.....well a symbiote may be able to catch bullets and shrugg off class 100+ punches, but a knife will go through it just fine....blaze stabbed venom in the arm with nothing more than a pocket knife...venom's been stabbed on a few occasions....unlike spiderman wolverine has a direct way to get through the symbiote and to the host thus killing or deabilitating the host thus ending the fight....
spiderman however, does not have this luxury.....spiderman's been shown on multiple occasions to get his ass kicked by venom....logan's shown on multiple occasions and with a 100% ratio might I add....to connect with a kill shot or KO shot on venom....he may be slightly slower, he may be greatly weaker than spiderman...but he has all the advantages that spiderman doesn't have NONE...THE....LESS......
as clearly shown here...
1. You're so right! Wolverine can take more beating the Spidey! It's true. Thing is, you only know this because olverine gets hit a hell of a lot more. His fighting style entails this. He enjoys the pain of getting slammed in the face. Thing is, Venom's not gonna hit Logan once then freeze. He's gonna throw and throw, as he always does.
2. Spidey has his own personal fighting style. He uses his powers and abilities to dodge and strike. Venom knows that Spidey can't ense him coming. He knows!! That's his advantage. And please, he doesn't run around dodging and dashing out of the way of attacks! What ever happened to him shrugging off attacks? huh? Well, I have to agree with you in that he'll want to dodge more than shrug, Venom's no slouche in the hurting pople department lol. And did you seriously say that you think that Logan is gonna be able to dodge better then Parker? Are you serious? Dear Lord... Hey, that's me haha!!
3. And please, don't compare the Spidey sense with the ... Logan being able to here and see better than mos people 'thingy'. Logan has enhanced senses. there are five. taste, touch, smell, sight and hearing. He does not feel it when danger is approaching. He can not feel when he is about to be clobbered. He can be snuck up apone. Don't kid yourself.
4. What can I say? You're right. Spidey can't do too, too much agaist the tendrils. Wolverine can slash and hack. It's true... But... What happens if Venom grabs his wrist? Then what? There isn't any slashing or hacking then. Is there? Venom is stronger than Wolverine.
5. Offensively... no... I may not like SPidey much, or at all, but I do know where and when and how his powers work. Hi powers are super aility, strength, dexterity, (all that good stuff) he spins web and can take pain. OK you're right again. The Web does't hurt Venom. Tell him what he's won, Mary!! ... Wait... the judges are overruling your response... Whom does the webbing hurt? It's not knives, dude. He swings people (venom included) with it. He throws things at people with it (venom included) and he swings himself around on it (well... I guess Venom is technically included...). Spide has beaten Venom before (DUH!!) how does he do it? You make it seem as if he never has and never will. Well... you're wrong. But again, you back yourself up with some more crap! Without a weapon or plan... yes... so? Spidey is like so many other succesful heroes (batman and his crew, Ironman -yea, you hurd me, boy!- Black Panther... DOOM!!!! The grandaddy of prep and planning!) uses his mind to win fights. He figures out a way to win (doesn't always work, but... well...) and then wins. Pretty simple actually...
Yes, Blade did stab Venom. Good for him. I once stabbed a guy too. Wanna know what he did after that? Same thing as I expect Venom did to Blade. Wupped his ass. 😄 Nuff said.
(and Spidey's quite a bit faster than Wolverine, not slightly...)
You're right, once again. Good for you! Wolverine has pulled off some kill shots on Venom. And what has Venom reacted with? Throwing im off a cliff... other stuff like that. 'capitalizing' on Wolverine when his back was turned (what ever happened to the great Wolvie sense?? huh huh?)
Fewf! That really tired me the hell out! No... wait... no it didn't all that was obvious! Well... I'm always open to your crap. You deliver it, I'll burn it. I'll call you garbage man, you can call me super sexy mega insinerater pimp dude who's sexy as hell and whom all the girls love cuz he's so fine and sexy! Deal? Deal! 😆 😆
Originally posted by joesha28
Well Wolverine will definately do better against Venom (i'm not talking abt winning..... just better) than Spiderman. My reason is: Spiderman relies on his spider-sense. Venom does not trigger Spidey's spider-sense. Wolverine however is not affected as such. This does not mean that Spidey loses in the Wolvie-Spidey match.One man's meat is another man's poison
I'm not using it as an argument of who would even win win a wolverine vs. spiderman OR venom match....I know wolverine would (and has at that) fair better against venom than spiderman could ever hope to...and those are my reason as for why...
Originally posted by jinzinSpiderman rocked and socked venom, wolverine was tied in a comic standing, its all for the fans.
I'm not using it as an argument of who would even win win a wolverine vs. spiderman OR venom match....I know wolverine would (and has at that) fair better against venom than spiderman could ever hope to...and those are my reason as for why...
Unless of course you want me to say,
" A guy that has stood up to juggernaut."
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, but spiderman is more maneuverable and agile, by far, while wolverine is stuck on the ground, venom is not...
no argument's there....
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Baloney, the ONLY reason that venom gives spiderman trouble is that venom knows and is a stronger spiderman, thats it!! Its just like sabretooth, except that venom is WORSE, much worse, than sabretooth.Fighting, save it, wolverine goes right into hack and slash mode, and he isn't better than spiderman at avoiding enemies, not on his best day.
_____so basically you're saying that spiderman's lack of help from his spider sense means nothing when he's fighting venom? common I thought you were supposed to be a freakin spidey expert......wtf? as far as fighting goes...wolverine uses extremetly detailed fighting techniques WHILE in hack and slash mode you seem to miss this point...go back to pages 2-4 for the wolverine misconceptions.....
spiderman is NOT better at avoiding eneimies WITHOUT his spider sense....which is basically what we're looking at in a spidey vs. venom matchup...against venom...wolverine will be avoiding and dodging better because he's trained for it...spiderman hasn't....end of story...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wolverine's senses are doing jack shit in a head up fight, nothing, nadda, mulch.
wrong again......what happens if venom goes transparent...how is wolverine going to be able to keep from getting snuck up on (like has happened to spidey oh so many times?)....duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh his senses.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Venom is an AILEN symbiote, wolverine doesn't really know he's sensing danger, if brock were to disguise himself, logan would be none the wiser. To top it off, venom has a better sense than logan.
venom does not have better senses than logan WHATSOEVER...he can see in every direction thanks to his symbiote...you think otherwise....FINE...please by all means PROVE............ IT... him having an alien symbiote does not hide his heart beat or movements from being heard, or his scen from being smelled....remember.... in the south amerian jungle fight wolverine tracked down venom by smell...on accident....you think he can't do the same when he knows who he's trying to track?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, and they keep on coming back, logan can't cut if he doesn't have leverage, the symbiotes TENDRILS and WEBBING, are more than enough to incapacitate parker.
yes they are...however logan's proven to be able to cut the damn things without leverage...sure they kept coming....but not before logan scored a fatal blow to the back of venom's head...had that been brock in the venom suit...the fight would have been over....your post however doesn't take away from the fact that wolverine can actually DEAL with the tendrils as they come....spiderman however can not...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Spiderman has already BEAT VENOM ass while beserk, HANDED it to him, all over the place, venom was fighting smart, throwing semitrailers and everything.
when was this?
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Of course when people fight wolverine, they go into that "psioinic barrier" that makes them go h2h.
it's as if you think venom would rather fight at range even though he goes hand to hand all the ****ing time. 🤨
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Yes, and venom has MANY MANY ways to keep that from happening in a hypothetical matchup, why in the hell would venom sit there and let wolverine claw him up, venom is more maneuverable than wolverine, and can grab a weapon, and close the range even greater.
venom wouldn't let wolverine claw him up...but lets face it...his afinity for going hand to hand is why peter lasts longer than 2 pages in any given venom battle....the fact is wolverine has a way to hurt the man behind the suit....peter doesn't.....PERIOD...and i think you're confused...closing the range is exactly what venom should not be doing here...😕.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Um, that was a crossover matchup, lets not go by what happened and ended in a tie, thats silly, spiderman has beaten venom.
yes cordera....typical cordera tactic.... "lets not go by whatever makes wolverine look better than some silly haired canadian hairy man"....sorry kid but direct comparison's once again are the best source to use as for what would happen in a what if scenario...
for instance "what if venom tried to tendril logan" answer "wolverine would slash his way out..." ..why? he's done it before.
ooooorrrrrrrr what wouldhappen if they got up close?....answer "wolverine would stab him" as he has done so before...
please..going by a don't use this or that for your argument clearly shows you're grasping here...
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Venom OWNS wolverine, spiderman has a good shot at wolverine, what makes you think venom would lose.
nothing I think venom wins 6 maybe 7 out of ten in an out of character matchup.....
in character however his affinity for going into fights up close and personal is a real setback against a guy like wolverine...which is why IN CHARACTER venom would get ...(and has gotten) .... stabbed.
A character that has held his own with carnage, would lose to wolverine?
sybiotes don't react the same way with other symbiotes as they do vs. a knife.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Carnage's offense>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wolverines, period.
against other characters you're absolutely correct...against venom...ehhh not so much...